Telnet: SSU to UAL 10/17/96 Gabriel Gonzales y Scott Taylor

Psych 490. Edited on U.S. end

Scott is designated as You say,

student1 has connected.

You say, "hola quien eres tu?"

student1 says, ""im gabriel"

"Gabriel hello havstudent1 says, "Im glade to converse with you"

You say, "Gabriel hello have you read my writings on the web site or the e-mail I sent to Art"

student1 says, "i dont know wath ( what is your mane, but i recived an E-mail of Scott"

You say, "Si soy Scott and the e-mail was from me, what do you think"

student1 says, ""

You say, "Gabriel I really enjoyed our talk a couple of weeks ago and would like to continue"

student1 says, "Unfortunately i cant send an E-mail about mi conception of the commons, the differences to this and the owns, and how to take care about it"

student1 says, "i want to talk about the commons the > <owns> and the differences between this points , what things are fror the people and what for my own person

basic perception of how we see ourselves in relation to the earth

You say, "we will just have to talk about it here. I feel that in order to restore the commons we must change our basic perception of how we see ourselves in relation to the earth"

student1 says, "i send you an E-mail about my opinion of the theory of maslow. my new team can referes to thios. do you red it"

student1 says, "i think one important common is the universe. to apreciate it is a pleasure, is an interesting point which a i can sa share with all the people, are this true?"

You say, "yes I believe this to be true. Ultimately we need to see ourselves as members of the biosphere, an integral part of the web of life and I think Humanistic Psychology is an important aspect of this awakening"

student1 says, "all the activities to conserve the ecology, the city and its patrimionia, is a beginning to preservate the Universe. I think the first poin t i can do is to worry in himself"

student1 says, "The own patrimonnia ><i say my body, my mind , my conscience, my emotions, my soul > is as important as the universe, i think it"

You say, " Si! exactly we need to start with ourselves becoming mindful of the a pparent interconnections in which we have our being"

student1 says, "the firs point to preservate the commons is take respect for oneself. <to be the fhat father and mother of one self>"

student1 says, "i fear only for one think, the lost of something <the lost of my mind, the lost of one of a member of my body, even the death> i think there are people who dont take care about their bodies"

You say, "yes I agree we need to become responsible for living our lives and develop an internal locus of control if we are to make a difference in restoring the commons"

student1 says, "i think for example the persons who have anxiety, schizof <who how can i as say esquizofrenia en ingles> and other mental problemass ."

Esqstudent1 says, "or maybe the persons who have an organic sickness, the lack of one member or organ of their bodies"

" I believe thstudent1 says, "im worried of an aspect, the suicide"

You say, "I believe that mental illness is a result of our disconnection with the earth"

student1 says, "in some part all you say its true. the illness is a result of a disconnection or a wrong perception of the world. i dont fell want to feel an ilness, but nobody can escape of this"

You say, "we are in effect committing ecological suicide as we speak"

student1 says, "i dont undestand the last you speak a committing ecological suicide"

You say, "I am speaking of the environmental destruction we as a species are causing"

student1 says, "oh yeah it is an interesting point, that the man destroies himself, the man destroyies to the other man"

You say, "Si! when we hurt the planet we are directly hurting ourselves"

student1 says, "the agressive instincts <talking about freud> is the base of this destruction. you need to destroy him something for an unknowed reason and then if you can destroy this you destroy himself. this is a theory. i dont know a what do you opine"

student1 says, "im talking about it, the destruction affect to oters, to the planet, and consequently to himself"

You say, "I can agree with that, " yes I can agree with that, I think it also has to do with the philosophy of dualism, which causes us to see everything as separate"

student1 says, "About the dualism. i understand the oposition of someone or something, for example the oposition of the body and the mind, or in philosophy the theories of idealism and materialism"

You say, "Descartes ideas of a mechanistic world which sees everything as a resour ce to be exploited instead of as an integral part of beinf human is a real problem today, it causes the breakdown of community i believe"

You say, "I think that Humanistic psychology runs counter to dualism"

student1 says, ""isay taht the human need to be conscious about this personality , to this soul"

student1 says, "the person is disconnected by this. they <the persons< dont integrate the parts of themselves"

You say, "yes! awareness is of paramount importance, especially today"

student1 says, "it is the purpose of the psichology to help man to integrate the parts of the human"

You say, "SElf actualization y integration is is the goal, I believe, of humanistic psychology. I see you agree with this"

student1 says, "I think the that the psi chology needs to integrate its theories first, i say to integrate the different theories."

You say, "becoming reconnected with nature is an important part of integration"

"THt hat is a good student1 says, "the new sistems of conceptualite the person integrates to the old conceptios"

student1 says, "im sorry but i have to say this, only i have 5 minutes to give a conclusion of this i have to go. i have to do some things"

You say, "That is a good point we need to refine and define what it means to be human in terms of psycholoy and ecology:ECOPSYCHOLOGY"

You say, "Ok It has been good talking with you again Hasta el jueves Gabriel mi amigo"

student1 says, "my conclusion is this. the psichology need a change to considerate the commons. It is in the process."ok. see you in tuesday. good by. send me more E-mails, and say to the other parthners gi send E-mails too"

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Thurs. Oct. 24 1996

Scott is designated as You say,

Gabriel is Student 1

student1 says, "I want to read Descates but i want to go on more far of this. the teh sytemic theory of gregory bateson is good too, specially because he has the oposite idea of to Descartes"

You say, "yes Greg Bateson is wonderful also Fritjof capra the physicist elabora tes on systems view this is good stuff"

student1 says, "i read someone from a literature book: the humans have two or mo re persons in one. Its incredible but we have diferent personalities each one"

(peresonal student1 says, "philosophy helps me much to understand the world with a different vision than ordinary people"

rucstudent1 says, "I think the human i s desintegrated in his soul: is inconstant, he has dire diferent emotions, difer ent characteres and dirferents feeling for many diferent situations"

tured in a way that they need only one face, . I think this is admirable

You say, "some say that we have developed more than one face (personality as a device to cope with our culture). Indigenous peoples have no need for thi s because their society is structured in a way that they need only one face. I think this is admirable"

student1 says, "You and me are more of three persons too"

"I believe in self actualization we would only have one integrated personality which would adapt student1 says, "the people were not sincere, th ey show different faces in the social situations, and others he seems diferent faces to surprice other people. "

You say, "I believe in self actualization we would only have one integrated personality which would adapt according to its needs"

"Because we feel student1 says, "" Sincere with yourself is the Key, to know and i understand why th he is this"

student1 says, " Do you think that Ecozoic help people to integerate himself?"

You say, "Because we feel that who we are won't be accepted so early in our live s we create alternate personalities. If we had only known acceptance this would not be neccesary"

student1 says, "<I extract this from an article from Skip Robinson titled groping toward our ecozoic future"

to play in or opur Ecozoic future ture, ., " I dont know, but i think the aceptation is the biginning to the long process to try change some aspects of the life, but its not the only"

the world

You say, "yes I feel that this is the role humanistic psych has to play in opur Ecozoic future. That we can accept ourselves and others for who they are and as the world"

student1 says, "You sugg est "what do you suggest to integrate the human being is neces, which is necesary to integrate it"

about this subject

You say, "I will e-mail you an outline of the paper I am writing about this subj ect"

You say, "One important aspect of integration is to view the earth as our extended body, that is, we are an integral part of an interconnected web of relationships"

student1 says, "what is the mission of the therapeutical session with one patients"

You say, "I think a big part of this miss mission is to teach acceptance by mode ling it"

"and stude nt1 says, "i suggest the parts to work with our soul is this: acept yourself, co ntemplate him, undesrstand himyourself, and the n to works to integrate the dife rents parts of yourelf"

You say, "Another aspect is to get people to make a shift from an external locus of control to an internal locus of control"

"yes I agree with you about integration of our differenstudent1 says, "to comntr ol of someone!! it is interesting. Give me more opinion of this"

You say, "yes I agree with you about integration of our different parts"

>student1 sa ys, "To control the difeferents parts of himself, to control the emotions or what?"

You say, "Internal locus of ccontrol meaans that you accept those things beyond your control and change those things you can and know the difference"Ins tead of being a rudderless ship at sea at the mercy of life's circumstances ther e is a way of thinking where one can take responsibility for one's choices"

student1 says, "con trol means not to be controled by the destiny, not to be controled by the situat ion of the life but to be the own of oneself, i think."

You say, "Rather than blame others for what has happened in your life you can ta ke action to change instead of blaming and staying stuck <static>"

student1 says, "the compromise to control and manage the life"

You say, "The Taking the responsibility to live your life and not blaming others for your situation is internal locus of control"

You say, "yes I think we understand each other"

You say, "This is also an important part of integration Mind/Body and Organism/Environment"

student1 says, ""yes, im surprising about you can undesrstand theat i say, speci ally my mistakes in english. By the waty, what do you i opine to apliy the Dualism concept to the Psychology science"

sostudent1 says, "Wand what do you opine about the integration body-mingd, himself-other people, yourse lf-your other face"

istudent1 says , "The integration must include them"

You say, "I feel that dualism has for too long guided our western societies and Psychology Humanistic Psychology is an important step in battling dualism"

student1 says, " the psychology need to change to helps in the integration of the human being, this change is: t he psichology need to integrate their theories to create the new Psiychology, the philosophy of the SOUL"

You say, "We need now more than ever to see that we are not as different as we a re alike, that is, we need each other for our well being in this sense we are ot hers"

You say, "Yes we need a new integrated Psychology as James Hillman< Thomas Moore and Robert Sardello and others have been telling us One that emphasizes Soul"

You say, "Tell Me more about Philosophy of SOUL"

student1 says, "In this world the man is dependient. we depends with others in t he relatuionship, Gregory Bateson said this. <By the way, i heard the conversati on wit betweeen Hector and Claudio. it is interesting. c Can you say Claudio giv e me an E- mail about the virtual reality?? "

You say, "yes I told Claudio and he will send you an e-mail "

You say, "Have you ever read or heard of Alan Watts?"

student1 says, "I read the Psichology isnt a science, but it is a Philosophy., a m new vision of human. It is a purpose to see the universal, the totally vision of human, not only an aspect"

You say, "This Psychology that you describe is to me the only kind of Psychology worth pursuing If Psychology does not give us a philosophy to live by then it i s not th it and we need to re-evaluate it"

student1 says, "Thanks for this last the virtual reality is an interesting piont for me. but the Dualism is important too. Im interest in all you and your classmates can say me. Is any other with you"

student1 says, "I dont know how to explain this: about the vision of my thinking in Psiychology as a philosophy. I need to reflect with this I need time to clear this point"

You say, "We ha"We Have 5 Minutes left and I want to say that I agree with your idea that we need a new and revised Psychology that reflects our interconnectedn ess"

You say, "I will send you an e-mail this weekend "

student1 says, " but i can say one think: the prsichology need to understand in a totally vision. Well . my conclusion is: We need to contemplate the psicholog y to understand and imagine how can be the psychology of the next century"

"

You say, "yes and Ibelieve that is part of what we are doing right now as we talk"

"An expansion os f psychology/philosopstudent1 says, "I think that is important to considerate next tuesdays"

You say, "An expansion of psychology/philosophy is what is desparately needed"

student1 says, "Yes I think thaat can be an interesting point . Ill try to send you an E-mail of this"

You say, "We are quitting now it has been great I will send you an e-mail ans an outline of my essay Adios Amigos Hasta el Jueves"

student1 says, "Ill try to coment we talk to with my other partners"

student1 says, " See you on next tuesday . Bye"

You say, "Ok Good Bye "

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Thurs. Oct.31 1996

Scott is designated as You say,

Gabriel is student1

student1 says, "No, these sciences of Psichology and Philosophy creartes a combination, it is: to find the essential points betweeen the sci ences to form the basis of m new science, not only to mix them, to find the basi s idea to conceptializate the world as a Unit , to be agree to the waty to perce ive the world, how can be agree what is the explanation of the human being the Universe and this world"

You say, "Hello Gabriel ar"WE can agree on the basic unity of all things by obse rvin nature by reading what modern physicists have to say Capra, Bohm, etc. "

You say, "This new combination of science and philosophy/psycchology is a very i mportant step if we are to survive our mistakes"

student1 says, "well, if Descartes said the separation of mind-body we can integrate it proposing a psichology which help to do it. the life, the modern life can help, the religion, as it is now, cant help, the modern life (i say wrong before) cant help, the technology v cant help, the science (n materialistic and practical) either cant help. the only science can help is Psichology, because it was conscious to it is necesary"

student1 says, " exciuse me for my ignorance, ill try t o be in your level, and undrerstand your idea, first who are capra and Bohm?"

You say, "All of them I believe, can help We need to realize that mind and body have only been conceptually separated they have always been one we just need to wake up to that fact"

student1 says, "We are agreee with o ne point : the Dualism can help to human to be grate great, the psychology can , but ie it need to learn about the Dualism to understand how to integrate, how can the man perceive the Gestalt of this life"

You say, "Capra and Bohm are physicists who have discovered a fundamental unity of all things at the sub atomic level and who feel we need to revise our world view"

You say, "What I am saying is that things are fundamentally non-dual in nature a nd we need to realize this"

student1 says, "Capra and Bohm , how they can to conceptualizate , to contributes to our conversation, maybe because it fuond the essential of the things?"

You say, "yes precisely they have found truths that verify Eastern philosophy an d a living in a conscious symbiosis with the natural world"

You say, "A conscious symbiosis, that is being aware of our relationship with the world this is Ecppsychology"

student1 says, " oh., yeah forget my question, I understand it. In religion God is a unity of the all man in Psichology, it refers the need to find someone integrated, some eternal, some more universal, in Philosophy, to contemplate the universe like a total "

You say, "That is Ecopsychology"

You say, "We are underneath already integrated but we do not know it?"

student1 says, " i have problemas to understand about Echopsychology, i can find the main idea between the group of ideas you say me"

You say, "I will send you an email of the intro to my paper"

You say, "Ecology and Psychology combining to get people back in touch withthe g round of their being that is the natural world"

"Ecopsychologystudent1 says, "The problem is how to integrate the parts of someo ne (body-mind, soul.<<gost>>-himself <<conscious><, man-people, religious-scienc e, philosophy-science, mind-feeling"

You say, "Ecopsychology shows us that we cannot study human beings by themselves but only in realtionships with the environment and other people"

You say, "Everything is connected you cannot pull out something without all else coming with it"

student1 says, " I think in Gregory bateson <<i am me and my circunstances>>. he said than the man is relationship with others, is a "symbiosys of persons who are an only person, contemplating as a unity"

You say, "I will send you an email explaining ecopsychology"

You say, "yes Bateson is great and he is talking about the very same thing I am"

student1 says, "You can say Claudio send me an E-mail about the effects caus psichological effects prodeuced by the Virtual reality"

You say, "I told Claudio, he will email you"

You say, "I have not had time to read your email in it entirety but I will and I will send you an email addressing those subjects"

You say, "Claudio says he sent you an email did you get it?"

student1 says, " I catch the idea of Ecospsychology. !!!!, To considere the univ erse like a unity who integrate the individualis, the great force to who percei ve the reality like a UNITY, It is perceived by the man as GOD, but we can learn to pervceive like Him, remenmber than we <<are in likness GOD"

You say, "Si!! in this sense we are God if I dare say so. Some might call this blasphemy but I feel it is the truth"

You say, "Unityy consciousness is the key"

student1 says, "Yes i read e-mail from claudio and you, i they are interesting. I really aprecitate your information but a i am an obsessive of the information , I need (is an internal emotion and interest ) to investigate more, and you are the oportunity to learn more"

You say, "Claudio says maybe the three of us can have a discussion next time "

student1 says, " I doubt about God because the religion talks about some things that seems fantastic, but in esential, it a good way to learn about human"

"I am thinking in a completely non-hierarchical way with no one over and above a none or anything else

You say, "I am thinking in a completely non-hierarchical way with no one over and above anyone or anything else"

student1 says, "It is very good, I wanted to converse with him before you contact with you. (yi contact with you, i correct my mistake). But returning with our conversation, The work of the man is learn to comprenhate the world in different way. I think the philosophy help. Do you read someone about the method of phylosophy >< I said the reflection and contemplation"

You say, "and you are my opportunity to learn more"

student1 says, "Good, i ll send you an E-mail about how the Psicsychology can learn about the method of Philosophy ( to apreciate the totally of someone)"

You say, "Reflection and contemplation play a major role in this emerging new consciousness"

You say, "I believe Psychology is where we put philosophy to work for us in defi ning and redefining ourselves and our world view"

You say, "Psychology is philosophy in action"

student1 says, "I think that the psichologists need to remembre the origins of t his science <<the greeks>> and then, reflect about human >>the man r"

student1 says, " I agree with you, the psychology is philosophy in action, is the form to expresse the need of human to investigate about himself"

You say, "I agree but not only the Greeks the Hindus and Buddhists also"

"What do you think?

You say, "What do you think?"

You say, "Gabriel it is time to say Adios "

student1 says, " I have only five minutes, then i go"forget my last reaction if this appears, i have time yet, I think that the psychology need to join the lost parts of their knowledges"

"We need to redefine psychology in these new more broad terms yes?

You say, "We need to redefine psychology in these new more broad terms yes?"

You say, "We have to go now"

student1 says, "EWell, See you in next tuesday I later"

"Hasta el jueves mi amigo

You say, "Hasta el jueves mi amigo"

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Thurs. Nov. 7, 1996

Scott is designated as You say,

Gabriel is student 1

You say, "So Jung Shadow? Collective Unconscious? pick a topic"

student1 says, "In the congress I learned about the theory of jung: the collective unconscious, the sym bolism of dreams, the miths, the new age of conception of human being(the cierc le as a symbolism, arqueotipo, mandala"

You say, "I am currently studying Jung in my Counseling class it is very interesting"

You say, "In a sense the collective unconscious is one th thing that connects al l cultures and peoples transcending differences"

You say, "JUng found similar myths and traditions in cultures that had no contact with each other"

student1 says, " I talk about Carl Gustav Jung, disable of Freud, the psicoanalist of the mandala, who says that the human need to stablish the Universal symbol, the conception of totally, he talked to the oposition as the origin of the human being, introverse, extraverse, thinking, feeling, sense, intuition (the four chatracteristics of humans)"

student1 says, " The circle is very symbolic. It envols all: the planet, the universe and all the beings who inhabits in them. The circle means integration"

student1 says, "The unconscious, the collective unconscious is a memory of our past thinkings , the ancestors feeling"

You say, "The mandala represents wholeness yes and integration it is an important universal symbol"

You say, "All that has gone before is somehow stored in each of us as the collective unconscious"

"student1 says, "jung is a great theoric of the culture, the ancient culture, he explored the myths and showed the way of the ancestor to find an integration of their parts, and we, in the present, lost this ability: to perceive the mandala"

student1 says, "Are there fenomena who cant be explained by the science, but they have sense by the psychology and philosophy, specially in the religion."

You say, ""Yes , for the most part we have lost this ability to dialog with our greater selves through the symbolism"

student1 says, " the past egypt is interesting for me because the symbolism they envolve, The india, past japanishsts, the Aztecs, Mayas"

You say, "Symbolism is an important part of integration and a language which transcends linear thought"

student1 says, "The science have the purpose to destroy the symbolism of the relig ion and the philosophy. The scientists think that the body is the only in the world. They forget the soul"

You say, "Remarkable similarities between these cultures the Mayas, Aztecs and Egyptians all built pyramids separately"

You say, "Jung would say that this is due to archetypes of the collective unconscious"

student1 says, "It was (the pyramiids99) produced by aliens from out the sapace No, I think that the Mayas are magic, the egypts are intelligent, i dont know the origin of this spacial thinking in the symbolism and the discovery of the soul"

student1 says, "the mayas expand the conscious, expand their soul"

You say, "The Mayans and Egyptians are magic and so are we we have just forgotten the language"

'Modern Science is starting to come around and rediscover this language of the soul, the archetypal collective unconscious

student1 says, "the fourth dimension, the discobery of the things far more the body, the substance, the material"

language os symbloism like our dreams

scostudent1 says, "Nora wants to know more about the mayas"

student1 says, "Nora is my partner here in mexico"

You say, "What I know is limited to a book I read called The Mystery of the Mexican Pyramids by Peter Tompkins"

You say, "I have another book on this called Maya Cosmos but I have not read it yet"

student1 says, " nora asks you if you know something about maya calendar (no aztec calendar"

You say, "No I regret to say that I do not But i have heard that the layout of Teotihuacan is a giant Map of the solar system and that the city may have been a sort of University"

student1 says, "do you think we are returns to the origin: the return of the psychology origins, the philodsophy, the religion, the esoterism, the soul"

student1 says, "the study of the soul , the BEING as an only thing.? "

You say, "I think that we we are inseparable from our origins "

"The soul is the same as Jung's Collective Unconscious I believe

You say, "The soul is the same as Jung's Collective Unconscious I believe"

student1 says, "Returning to jung. Is there similitudes between jung and Bateson and Maslow?"

student1 says, "Na Nora sa ys thanks for your information."

You say, "I think there are big similarities between these men the main one being our inherent oneness"

You say, "I think that Jung was Humanistic before thr term was coined"

You say, "Gracias to Nora"

"student1 says, "I know the pyramids are very siymbolic. Do you know the reason of the triangle simbolism? I heard the psyramid preservates de tenergy of the person, the pyramid recolectes rthe enery of the sun and the cosmos"

stud ent1 says, "Nora wants to speak with you in other time to discuss about the mayas and aztecs, "

You say, ""What I have read on this says that the pyrimidal shape concentrates energy to whatever is inside "

student1 says, "Nora asks if you can talk about Culture later (i think other thursday"

You say, "I have also read that the pyramid at Giza is a map of the earth and stars like teotihuacan"

student1 says, " The parst culture is very interesting for me, but unfortunatelly i ignore more about it. I need to ask Nora more about it"

You say, "yes I would be glad to talk of culture with Nora I am currently putting an essay on our web site please let me know what you think"

student1 says, "Mayanas is are very intelligent, but i think we can develop our mind to increase our thinks as the mayas"

You say, "There is a lot the mayans and all Native Americans north and south have to teach us if we will only listen"

student1 says, "Nora says that she will look for more information about mayas"

You say, "The problem is that they were so totally disrupted by the Conquistadores that very little is left" [I found out later that this is not quite true S.T.]

student1 says, " I have a question: "can the psychology be both science and philosophy, can the psychology return to the origin and harmonize soul and body? What do you think?"

s it very fascinating to me

You say, "I will also look in my book Maya Cosmos and get back to you and send you an email on this it is very fascinating to me"

student1 says, " i symolize this situaytion like this Mayas are the soul in harmony with the universe, the conquistadores are the body who distrups the armony. We (mexicans) as the combination between indians and european have the promise to find the armony between maya and europeans. It is just i have lived in the congress: the discovery of the sense, the feeling, and the need to armonize my life"

You say, "Yes I think it can be both if we change the idea of progress and linear teleology and convert to humanism.

You say, "yes what you say is so true we need to harmonize and synthesize what the indigenous cultures have to tell us about ourselves"

student1 says, "Im sorry to you cant read the spanish part of my e-mail. I define in my own experience about the process of integration"

You say, "Claudio will read it and tell me what you said I am anxiuos to hear it and understand "

student1 says, "All you and me dixscouss, about the Dualism, the harmonize, the integration i have been experimenting right now in my own life"

You say, "My own integration process is a fusing of my fragmented selves into one coherent face

student1 says, "The importance of our discussing is not to see and thing about who how to integrate the human bei ng, the important one is how to experimenting it"

You say, "I want to know what your process is like and I will share mine"

You say, "Yes to actually do it that is more exciting than just talking about i t"

You say, "I am also on that path"

student1 says, "Its difficult to explain my experience to you in english but ill try: I have am was in my congress here in mexico, and in one of the human developing activitie called "Dreams, symbolisms and miths " hel p me much to discober my parts"

You say, "I will send you an email on a project in my counseling class"

student1 says, "M anuel Cervantes helps me to sdiscover my unconscious part, my GHOST, hidden in my internal life i havent acepted"

You say, "I understand I am also doing that with free association and dreams"

You say, "Self discovery is why we are here without that it is just a bunch of theories"

You say, "Integrating the shadow is what I am working on"

You say, "we only have 5 minutes left"

student1 says, "but n know i experiment a change in my life, I know my lost parts, my FEELINGS, this process was difficult and painful, really i wanted to cry, I knew that this internal experiences be hard to experiment., but at the end the prize is worth, the Knowlegde of oneself"

student1 says, "EWell, I can finish with this: i send you an E-mail about my experience in the congress and the Thesis proyect i have. see you next thursday"

You say, "Yes it is a painful process I am glad that you have Manuel to help you it makes a big difference to have an ally and helper"

student1 says, "Scott, im a new person" thanks for your attention and see you on thursday"

You say, "I too was very disturbed by my free association project but it is worthwhile"

student1 says, "I recomend to say claudio helps tyou to translate my spanish part of my e-mail"

You say, "I will send you an email too adios amigo"

"yes i will talk with Claudio about this my friend Hasta el jueves

You say, "yes i will talk with Claudio about this my friend Hasta el jueves"

"Hasta el jueves amigo"

student1 says, "Nora says hasta el jueves y nos mandamos la informacion"

You say, "okay say adios amiga Nora for me thanks"

@quit

*** Disconnected ***

Crazy virtual fiesta on Thurs. Nov. 21, 1996

Last Community connection

"Tuesday at @ 2:student1 says, "Tuesday at 2.oo (here 12.oo (i say 12.00 not 2.00) is a good time ) In my city it can be at 2.oo p.m."

00 would be great for me

You say, "Tuesday at 2:00 would be great for me"

"So Tuesday at 12:00 your time or my time?

You say, "So Tuesday at 12:00 your time or my time?"

student1 says, " Im confused abot the schedule, repeat me what hour in your city and thesvn i ask art its the correctly time in mexico"

"Tuesday at 12:00 would be at 2:00 for you I think as nd that would be great vfor me

You say, "Tuesday at 12:00 would be at 2:00 for you I think and that would be gr eat vfor me"

"Anyway Jung in the email Isent you I talk of more of Jung and the Mayans as we were las t time with Nora

You say, "Anyway in the email Isent you I talk more of Jung and the Mayans as we were last time with Nora"

student1 says, "Well the next connection its this. tuesday at 12.00 for you, 2.0 0 p.m. for me. Now, what do you want to talk in this day'"

"I would like you to ree ad my essay on the web site if you can and then we can ta lk about that what do you think?

You say, "I would like you to read my essay on the web site if you can and then we can talk about that what do you think?"

"Alsoo , by then I will know more about your email throughn Claudio

You say, "Also, by then I will know more about your email through Claudio"

student1 says, "Im surprising all the cultures talked about the same perrson. Go d, represented by the human persons, christ, quetzalcoathl, mahoma, krisna, etc"

"yes these archetypes are universal and it is a wonderful synchstudent1 says, "I read a few of weeks about your experiences in the group process taljked Learnin g comunity, and now i just read your poems"

ronicity that they all developed along ren markaa bly sin milar lines

You say, "yes these archetypes are universal and it is a wonderful synchronicity that they all developed along remarkably similar lines"

"I am glad youy have have read my poems they are part of my learning process in psycho logy

You say, "I am glad you have read my poems they are part of my learning process in psychology"

"The essay is long and you can pribn int it befor eyou read it Art can help you with this maybe if you need t it

You say, "The essay is long and you can print it befor eyou read it Art can help you with this maybe if you need it"

"It is called Dualism the Commons and Hardin's Rational Being : Toward student1 s ays, "how can the "it is amazing that all the people serasrch search in archety pe somebody who can inspire for the spiritual growth (nora say this)"

a Conscious Symbiosis

You say, "It is called Dualism the Commons and Hardin's Rational Being: Toward a Conscious Symbiosis"

"What It is also amazing that Buddha, Lao Tzu < Socrates and Zoroaste al ll emerged at a roun the same time to influenc culture and reason

You say, "It is also amazing that Buddha, Lao Tzu< Socrates and Zoroaster all emerged at around the same time to influence culture and reason"

student1 says, " I will read it and then s to save it in mi disket to print it later"

You say, "Thank you I would love to have your comments on this topic and the others as well"

student1 says, " I'm interest in Socrates and Aristoteles, Nora says that <<i hav e been in contact with the Buddhism and its very interesting and what i observe d its that all the religions say the same thing but with different words and u se different methods"

"That too is what I believe that al l religion s say the same thing and the the differences are so small that to fight over them is ridiculous.

student1 says, "I think the same as nora"

student1 says, "Nora is reading your poems"

You say, "That too is what I believe that all religions say the same thing and th e the differences are so small that to fight over them is ridiculous"

student1 says, " But why they fight, because, they are blind because of the fanatism (Nora say this)"

"fanatacism icsim is also tha t religion has been used as a politacal ical tool to manipulat e others and student1 says, " Religion says the same taht the actual psychology says. we are in the search of any who is spiriyual ant sd eternally, we need to find the heaven..."

control them

You say, "fanaticsim is also that religion has been used as a political tool to manipulate others and control them"

student2 has connected.

"Yes and like the eastern religions say the heave that we are looking for is wit hin not outside of ourselves

You say, "Yes and like the eastern religions say the heave that we are looking f or is within not outside of ourselves"

student2 says, "hi! this is art"

" are we all in Number r one now ?

You say, " are we all in Number one now?"

"We are hacvin student1 says, "i am completelty agree, but then why the religion can not be pure, whywhy can noyt all the people live their lifes without disturbing others?."

student2 says, "we are all getting together in room 1. Art, Gabriel and Nora ar e here now."

student1 says, "aqui claudio"

student6 has connected.

"It seems student6 says, "hi there this everett"

we are having a party in group room 1

You say, "We are ha"It seems we are having a party in group room 1"

student4 has connected.

"Whers e is the virtual student4 says, "The rhinoceros asks to speak."

b cerveza?

You say, "Where is the virtual cerveza?"

student4 says, "Hrroonnnkk! Hroonnnkkkk."

student6 says, "party timeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.."

"Religion is a party now

You say, "Religion is a party now "

student2 says, "viva la fiesta"

: " i woul like to ask thr e student4 says, "Hrronnkk. "Hrronkpartyhrroonnkvivahroo nkfiestafiestahrronk!!!!!"

rhino if it student6 says, "let the ballo"

s ok to smash the pinata

You say, " i woul like to ask the rhino if it s ok to smash the pinata"

student2 says, "is the rhiocerous getting impatient?"

"Istudent4 says, "Hroonk.Hardhronkto work these damn small keys with rhinocerous hoofshroonk!!!!!!!!"

think so

You say, "I think so "

"I hear him student4 says, "Hronkkk i think not."

honking but he says he in s nostudent1 says, "venga una corona, amigos (con limon! !!)"

t imstudent6 says, "Just Do It !!"

aptient

You say, "I hear him honking but he says he is not imaptient"

"I just spilled my virtual cerveza all over my skorbitz

You say, "I just spilled my virtual cerveza all over my skorbitz"

student4 says, "Checking in from Phobos. I hear there's a party. We don't have bodies on our planet, but even ephemeral, foggy creatures such as we appreciate a good time - and here you're doing a VIRTUAL party. Just to our tastes."

"welcostudent2 says, "Some w"

me to our party leave your student4 says, "Redeep. Redeep. "

bodies at the door

You say, "welcome to our party leave your bodies at the door"

"Claudio is losinstudent2 says, "Someone say party, cerveza, orale"

g student6 says, "no need for bodies here"

hstudent1 says, " whats happen here. my computer s disconnecting frecuently. im confude confused"

is connection

You say, "Claudio is losing his connection"

"You spilled ystudent2 says, "Wow, i am getting a virtual buzz...""

our student4 says, "Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrronk!!! I just jammed my"

virtual bstudent1 says, " Someone says cerveza"

eer in your keyboard

You say, "You spilled your virtual beer in your keyboard"

student4 says, "Virtual virtual. All I hear is virtual! "

"It is virtually everywhere

You say, "It is virtually everywhere"

student6 says, "ok her is a big serving of"

student2 says, "Who brought the cake?"

student1 says, "Whats happens here'"

student4 says, "HRRONK. WHY NOT BIG KEYBOARDS??? YOU SPECIESISTS!"

student6 says, "and the turkey is delicious.."

student1 says, " Well i think you are in fiersta, invite me, please"

student4 says, "WHO'S A TURKEY?"

student6 says, "who cooked the turkey"

student6 says, "another cervsa please.."

"venga una corona fresqstudent2 says, "I want white meat and skin, not to much g ravy though...."

uita, pleasestudent1 says, "i like very much the turkey and the potatoes and the beer."

!!!!

You say, "venga una corona fresquita, please!!!!"

student1 says, " who is student2, student6 and student5"

:Scott is student 5student2 says, "Dos equis es mejor."

student5 Scott is student 5

student4 says, """"IS THIS A PHILOSOPHICAL INQUIRY?"

"who want tstudent1 says, "porque mejor no un tequila?."

s to know?

You say, "who want ts to know?"

student2 says, "I think I am "

"scott istudent4 says, ""HHRONK. Please pass me about 20 gallons, por favor."

s student5

You say, "scott is student5"

' " I tolstudent6 says, "th"

d you student1 says, " i can i enjoy yuor body 8 (gabriel is desperating to unde rsteand whats happen here)"

we sstudent4 says, "How does one know?"

hould nevcer er invite rinos they drink too much beer

You say, " I told you we should never invite rinos they drink too much beer"

student2 says, ""Co Coscorron es mejor, Ithink i am #2 and I am Tonantzin"

student1 says, "hi in m nora, estoy esperando el pavo y lel tequila."

"I', m getting hungry not virtually hungry student2 says, "Who is the rino?"

eiterstudent6 says, "ther is pl"

You say, "I'm getting hungry not virtually hungry either"

student1 says, " Im waiting for the cake and the tequila (I raell really dont dr ink "

student6 says, "ther is plenty"

"Ay caramba, let'ss go to Mexico

You say, "Ay caramba, let's go to Mexico"

"isn't that student6 says, "we can have we want our very own hollo deck"

student2 says, "how about some music. anyone know La Cirrida de Torreon?"

where wrare?

You say, "isn't that where we are?"

student1 says, " Gabriel says taht he doesnt di drink but he wwant it"

"we can drink for Gabriel

You say, "we can drink for Gabriel"

"Skip is the rino I am the walrus

You say, "Skip is the rino I am the walrus"

"All seriousness aside I will mestudent1 has disconnected.

et Gabriel next martes at 2:00 your time

You say, "All seriousness aside I will meet Gabriel next martes at 2:00 your tim e "

student1 has connected.

student1 says, "Hellow, we are here yet"

"westudent1 says, " We are here again"

are here yet

You say, "we are here yet"

"student1 says, "que paso con la fiesta y la borrachera?."

student6 says, "we are"well you all have a great week"

Are student4 says, ""So is the rhinoceros."

we having fun yet?

You say, "Are we having fun yet?"

student6 says, "I am going to say good bye"

student4 says, ""virtual fun"

student6 has disconnected.

student1 says, "of course."

student4 says, "I am going t"

"skip i esta abrazando una comstudent4 says, "I am gong to"

putadora, y los desm student1 says, " I really would have to enjoy your patrty"

mas no 6 estamos mejor. La corona se nos fue a la cabezstudent2 says, "The giraffe just stuck his head over the balcony and said it is almost 6:30, .......I think I am drunk."

a, definig tivamente. Estudent1 says, " Who is staying hetere yet"

ste o es party

You say, "skip esta abrazando una computadora, y los demas no estamos mejor. La corona se nos fue a la cabeza, definitivamente. Esto es party"

student2 says, " A giraffe was talking to me."

student1 says, "y las fiestas aqui son de alucine."

student4 says, "I amp please hrumph says sometimes up toward the ceiling twice t hrice cactus worm? beatrice in the womb"

student1 says, " I sopuse we are borracho"

"Muyt borracho si

You say, "Muy borracho si"

"Ginkstudent4 says, "Forescore forlorn and twenty years ago, our forefathers and their rhinoceroces gave birth on this continent to a lot of smoke and mirrors."

le fornkus

You say, "Ginkle fornkus"

student4 says, "Fornkus?"

"Yes fornkus Y student4 says, "Fornkus shmornkus!"

clasioytedcnmhyyw

You say, "Yes fornkus Y clasioytedcnmhyyw "

student1 says, "the angels are talking to me."

student1 says, "my ha head turns arounds me , im confused, the tequila hits me h ard 8 (Saying gabriel"

"A Jungian archstudent4 says, "Up the chimney with the fornkus, out the roof wit h your hooves of steel. Into the sky with your honkus ronkus. Out into space w ith your rhumperslick pie."

etype from tequila?

You say, "A Jungian archetype from tequila?"

"student1 says, "nora dice que los angeles y la cerveza la llevan al cielo."

Istudent4 says, "Please, please. Don't let the archetypes get me!!!!"

student1 says, "yo estoy experimentando el nirvana"

did not know ther was rumperslik pie

You say, "I did not know ther was rumperslik pie"

student4 says, "Where is Erica?"

student4 says, "Where is childhood?"

"Hey i am pissed that student1 says, " Gabriel just experimenting the nirvana, t he heaven, etc"

no student4 says, "Where is the honkus of steel?"

one told me of rumperslik pie and now it's gone

You say, "Hey i am pissed that no one told me of rumperslik pie and now it's gon e"

"I don't entiendo what the infierno is going on herestudent1 says, "si el pie se fue caminando."

student2 says, "Ertiika esta con HellEllen, pero su computadora no esta trabajan do."

!

You say, "I don't entiendo what the infierno is going on here!"

student4 says, "Heaven, Gabriel, heaven with the horn of plenty and the white ro bes and the joy everlasting."

student2 says, "WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

student1 says, " Yes, im in the heaven , i dont know if i can fall in heaell"

"Where is this heaven astudent1 says, "y alla como estan, ya ven enanitos. (nora said)."

t ?

student4 says, ""What happens when the human mind expands to its infinite limits ? Or infinite no-limits?"

You say, "Where is this heaven at ?"

"what t happens is we student4 says, "Here - all the time."

have fiesta

You say, "what happens is we have fiesta "

student1 says, " " we are expanding my conscience, im experienting the integrati on"

student4 says, "RHRHHHROONKJ. Rhinoceros heaven is heavy, has gray skin, is hug e."

"we arer all going to rino student2 says, "Esta son las mNanitas que cantaba el r ey daivid a las muchachas bonitas se lo cantamos aqiui....all together now."

heave n ronkkkkkk1 !!!!!

You say, "we are all going to rino heaven ronkkkkkk!!!!!"

student1 says, "despierta students despierten, miren que ya amanecio."

student4 says, "The watch is melting. Everything melts before the hands of time . Melting. (Note: The rhinoceros refuses to melt."

"Put the rino in the microwave he will melkt t mstudent1 says, " Im talking with go d now 8(gabriel said), and h He says me its wonderful"

t frien he m will melt fleendorf

You say, "Put the rino in the microwave he will melt mt friend he will melt fleendorf"

"el rey David esta borrastudent1 says, "scott ya te veo doble. (nora said)."

cho, astudent4 says, "Despierten. Despierten. Despierten. Despierten. Despie rten. Desperate. Hurry. Despierten. Here right now this second. Despierten. Hold your breath let it go. Despeirtendespiertendespierten."

brazo a skip. Right now.

You say, "el rey David esta borracho, abrazo a skip. Right now."

student2 says, "y los pajrios cantan la luna ya se metio."

student1 says, "ya despertamos."

"yes i have become my alstudent4 says, "Melting. Melting. Melting."

ternate self

You say, "yes i have become my alternate self"

student1 says, "nora say: quwe lindA ESTA LA MANANA EN QUE VENGO AV SALUDARTE."

"has the rino melted yet?

You say, "has the rino melted yet?"

"student2 says, "Mis queridos amigos.....LET?'S PARTY!!!!!!! I want to go dancin g, anyone care to join."

student4 says, "Floosh glub"

Rstudent1 says, " It is the moment to experiment the integration mind-soul, mind -body"

You say, "Rino con Chocolate mmmmmmmmm"

"How dare you say floosh gluv b to me

You say, "How dare you say floosh glub to me"

student1 says, "nora dice que le encanta bailar salsa."

"Nora dance pleas*** Redirecting connection to new port ***

student1 says, "hasta luego amigos"

"Scott says Hasta el student1 says, "see you next time."

M martrestudent2 has disconnected.

martesstudent1 says, "scott see you on tuesday"

You say, "Scott says Hasta el martmartes"

"Gabriel martes at 2:00 your time adios

You say, "Gabriel martes at 2:00 your time adios"

2student1 says, "ok scott see you on tuesday. amigos, hasta luwego si hay la oportunidad de reconectarnos."

@quit

*** Disconnected ***

Tues. Nov. 26, 1996

Scott is designated as You say,

Gabriel is student1

student1 says, "I have towe hours "I have two hours and half to talk with you"

student1 says, "Yes i have and im the only here"

student1 says, "Are anybody with you"

You say, "OK let's get started have you had a chance to read my essay? I did receive your email"

student1 says, "Ithink we need to redefine our virtual ineteractional gruop. Do you receive any e-mail of me"

You say, "I am the only one here today"

student1 says, " i have had a quiqly read of your a essay . I feel interesting"

student1 says, "What do you wan t to talk about"

You say, "Gabriel I feel you are my friend and I want to stay in touch even after this class I could converse with you through regular mail if you like"

student1 says, "Good, first we need to re-define a permane nt time of conversation and to redefienne our topics"

You say, "I would like to hear waht you think of my essay"

You say, "Also I will give you my address "

student1 says, "Its there are new informatiuon for me. I just quiqly read your e sasay. I think that it refeers to the systemic theory, the totally vision, as an interconnected web of comunication"

You say, "Yes I am talking about a fundamental change in thinking which will bring about a change in the world"

student1 says, "We are in a modern vision of the human, and this can help us to re-find us with our ancestors, way to seee the life"

student1 says, "We atre in the road to find the lost parts. There are a leyend refered that the human was separadted by the gods, anfd then since this , we are living to find our halfpart of oursdelves"

You say, "Our modern vision has to somehow incorporate the ancient and the modern with science and religion"

student1 says, "Yes, to integrate the moderrn and old vision, it is just I want to comunicate y ou about my propose to integrate the old and new conceptions in psychology"

You say, "You are referring ,I think to Plato's symposium and Aristophanes "

You say, "I think this of the utmost importance, in fact I think it is the most important thing we need to do now"

student1 says, "I talk with Platos symposium and the thinking of Aristoteles about the human Being: "<<Soul and mind are inseparable, the road to find the Being is to raise in the pyramid of knowledge, since the practical view, to the contemplatio n of the soul"

You say, "Plato is again relevant here with his allegory of the cave. It is forgivable when a child is afraid of the dark it is when men are afraid of the light that is the real tragedy"

student1 says, "The new vision of the human refers to this: to considerate the soul thougt the nbody, to contemplate the psych throught thee materailial"

You say, "yes The mind/body dichotomy is an invention of thought [eculiar to the western mind The eastern systems have never sufferd such a split"

You say, "That is one point in my essay that light and dark are merely two sides of the same coin and dualism seeks to divide them but this is an artificial , conceptual split not in reality"

student1 says, "We are just rise in the category of knowledge: we rise to the level of practical view, ordinary life to reflexive life, not a sci entistic and separable thinking"

You say, "In the allegory of the cave though light and dark do refer to Knowledge and ignorance yes i do not mean to confuse you"

student1 says, "Yes, the allegory o f the cave, I really remember it now. I dont in the confusion. "

"In Buddhism when a master is asked what is enlightenment? the answer is your ordinary mind is enlightenment

student1 says, "Thats i try to say you: the ordinary life <<first level of knowledge for aristoteles>> ignore more things about his life: the man in this l evel doesnt see , doesnt obserfve, doesnt contemplate his world"

student1 says, "But we are in a high level, to aprectiate the world as an unity , The UN IVERSE as a totally net"

You say, "O"one point in my essay is just what you said: That we need to contemplate and observe nature to learn about ourselves and our place in the world"

student1 says, "Yes11111!!!!!!! we are in the same channel, welcome to my thinking!!!. I really apreciate we are conversing in the same way about the same thing"

You say, "This is the crux of our modern problem that we don't experince ourselves as the world that we are somehow separate but we cannot be"

You say, "The non-linear nature of things is revealed by watching the seasons come and go how can it be different for us?"

student1 says, "I think all the theories, all the religions talk about the same , but in different ways. I think in Nora taht says about t he ridiculous fight between the religions, and then the scientists fight betweee n themselves to finfd the truth"

You say, "Aristotle was wrong about teleolgy I think things are cyclical not in a straight line towards some goal"

student1 say s, "The linear vision only see a detail, only see amn specific point in the natu re, the non linear view contemplate all the nature, not a simple detail, it contemplate the system "

"I agree with you it is ridiculous it is like Jonathon Swift in Gullivers Travels where they are warring over which end to break their eggs on

student1 says, " Yes, Aristotles was wrong for it. But I try to refer about the road of the knowledge of the world. But I think that in this road, we can advance in knowledge but also to rerverse it. To interchanging of levels Top to button, button to s top"

You say, "Somehow we have become confused as a people and think that our artificial separations for the purpose of study are actual when they are just for conve nince like language"

student1 says, "I can propose it: The reoad of Knowledge and the way to viwew the world are cyclical, trasnspassing the ordinatry view, then to returning it. The cicle can be to Ordinary.-scientistic-philosophi cal-teologica-ordinary--etc."

You say, "I am not sure what you mean please explain"

student1 says, "or even to returning at the half of the walking"

You say, "I think we are on that returning road now"

You say, "If not we surely need to be on that road of returning"

student1 says, "E Ill try to expalain this. Aristotle says that we are in a piramid (or road) of know ledge: the buttom level is simple n viewing the ordinary, then we raise to a seconfd level, the scientistic , and then the philosophical. The propose is raising to high level but do not forget the simple level. It is an intercghanging level s depending the situation"

You say, "This is the problem of technology that it is tied in with the idea of progress toward some elusive goal that no one has sufficiently explained"

You say, "It is like Maslows Hierarchy?"

You say, "I think i see what you mean"

You say, "We have forgotten the simple level yes?"

student1 says, "To adapt our y thinking and knowledge to the situations, to see the material in some cases, to see the soul in others, to interchange our vision between simple to complex to unity"

student1 s ays, "and then to returning to simple, to scientistic saw, to see a unity, and t hen to combine different ways to see. Can I explain me?"

student1 says, "Yes the hierarchy of maslow i s similar: we can advance into the top, but not forgetting we have phisiological needs,"

You say, "I think you are talking of a more all inclusive vision of the world to not ignore some things in favor of others but to have our priorities in place a nd know when to use what modes of thinking is this correct?"

student 1says, "Our needs of self-realization combine to alimentatio n and body needs. because we are mind and body. we have to need all the satisfac tors required by the body and the soul"

You say, "We forget that we have bodies we are heads and the rest sort of dangle s along for th ride"

student1 says, "Yes, to an inclusive vision: to co nsidere all the visions"

You say, "For the most part modern man lives in his head and neglects the body"

student1 says, "The problem about the modern men is that the people is worried a bout their bodies, or they are worriewdd about their minds (emotionally and soci al) but not both at the same time. The haver priority about someone but not to t he two things"

student 1 says, "We are returning to talk about the integration that Descartes had denie d, but Bateson try to search"

You say, "I agree it is a sad state of affairs we need to realize that we are mi nd/body just as we are organism/environment"

You say, "How long will we continue to suffer from Descartes vision?"

student1 says, "organism environment sis important too. Some persons forget in himself to help others, or the prersons forget in the other to attend some othe rs"

You say, "In my essay I say that the community gives us our identity and that we are individual/community in a gestalt figure /ground"

student1 says, " Until the nman understand that we are not in a separable vision . I understand and i try to change my vision, but unfortunately some of my parth ners in my psych major forget this vision"

stude nt1 says, "If your essay said all i we are discussing, Im anxious to read all it "

to convet y this vision of onenes and its implications people think ai am crazy

You say, "It is a constant battle and I feel alone in it much of the time in try ing to convey this vision of onenes and its implications people think ai am craz y"

student1 says, "Its important to me to eat your information abou t the topic of the integration. In my classes this class of systemic theory is not common"

You say, "Yes this is waht my essay is all about "

student1 say s, "This is my propose: to learn more about your vision, the re-integration of o urselves and the gestalt (unity vision). Thanks for you want to complain withme your essay. I will read it with more ineterest"

than in amexico

You say, "It is not that common here either but probably a little more common than in Mexico"

You say, "I think this topic is the most important one to raise especially inter nationally"

student1 says, "In mexico still consrerving the psychoanalytic vision and the ps ychaiart vision (lineal vision9 ) but Manuel Cervantes is fior the new vision . All i learn is by him."

student 1 says, "The beggining of exploring this new vision is in Arts colecture since t hree years titled Transpersonal psychology. Thats ts my was my introduction to t his"

You say, "Ask Manuel if he has ever heard of Alan Watts or maybe he can recommend b ooks on this subject"

student1 s ays, "Yes, i ewill taask if Manuel heardd Alan watts. But i will get information of him."

You say, "Transpersonal Psychology is my main interest and is important to apply in the vision of orgasnism/environmrnt"

student1 says, "By the waty, Do you know if Claudio receive muy e-mails?"

student1 says, "By Art i learn about Transculture, and the arch etypes of jung. "

and ask him

You say, "I think Claudio has received your emails but he is not here today unfo rtunately I will email him and ask him"

student1 says, "Thanks for email Claud io. I want to talk with him. Or even if he can email me at Arts adress. "

You say, "This subject is so huge and so worthwhile to explore I think Jung is o ne of the most important figures of the twentieth century"

You say, "Jung began to integrtate eastern and western ideas"

student1 says, "Do you heard about Jung talking about the res urcing of the UFOs, as a symbiolism odf the totally? I dont know wwhat is tyhe n ame of the book in english but in mexico it is called <<sobre cosas que se ven e n el cielo>

You say, "I will ask Claudio to email you at Art's Address"

You say, "I am vaguely familair witH Jung's work in this area"

You say, "Please tell me more "

You say, "In a unified vision of the universe there can be no such thing as alie ns we are all from the universe yes?"

student1 says, " the UFOs, if you watch someone, is circular, as a mandala, as a s symbolism. the UFOFos says that we are entering in the exploring of the totall y. Jung says that we need rto return to a circular vision, the integration repre sented by the symbol of the circular flying saucer. The scientists explain that the UFOS fly very peculiar, turning in himself itself, and then conserve that st atistm : they conserrve the flyng <<flotando, i bdont know who to say in spanien glish<<>>"

You say, "Wow! that make so much sense to me that we are creating a sort of myth which is a symbol of our beginning to awaken incredible signifiacance and insig ht here"

student1 says, " In some cases the aliens are angelical, not only the conception of the little gr ay man, that im sure you heard it about it. By the UFOLOGISTS there are category es of aliens: the little gray men, as seemesd as babies in the utero, and the an gelical aliens, seemed an angel described in the bible. The angeliscal aliens co me to his the earth planet to say us about the spiritual way to see as the same that the angels to us in the bible. Thats very symbolic."

of the spinning?

You say, "UFO's are a spinning mandala then and what is the significance of the spinning?"

student1 says, "I dont know what is spinning in spanidsh1!!. Can you explain me what is spinnin g?"

You say, "Oh i have heard of the numerous sightings over Mexico city anfand have seen films of them and heard of the locals religious symbolgy surraounding this phenomena"

You say, "I mean a turning rapidly in one place like a frisbee or flying disc"

You say, "Like a Phonograph record"

You say, "Whirling"

You say, "The UFO's are warning us then of impending disaster?"

student1 says, "yes, thats the same that phonograph record. the Ufos turning in one place. they have movement but at the same time iy they seems that the are st atic. Thats just the same as man: is a coming angd goindg in the same place. In our life we are in devenir (going and coming), but a part of us conserves in him self. Our soul as a bieng concserves himself as an entity in his world"

student1 says, "Tahts the symbolism of the UFOS by the psychology."

You say, "In a sense then we are somehow warning ourselves through the medium of the UFO's?"

student1 says, "The aliens of this UFOS are the senders of this message. they cr eate in us the awareness about ewe are a totally comunion. Do you heard the book "COMMunion" about alan walkers?"

You say, "Each one of us is a revolving vortex of energy like a flying saucer wh ich somehow conserves their energy ?"

"I have heard of this book but I have not read student1 says, "All the visitors of the space and the humans abducted (captured by the aliens) says that it is ne cesary the awareness of thgee universal communion"

it yet

You say, "I have heard of this book but I have not read it yet"

You say, "So are the UFO's really us in a nother form or from our future coming to warn or tell us about our completeness our totality?"

You say, "Tell me more about communion please"

student1 says, "W I refewrs I refer tothat: Our soul and body are the same. the energy is the capacity to avct in this world. in the interaction between human a nd environment, something changes, like our body, our emotions, our thinkings, a nd then the environment changes, but the escential one of the man dont change: the human is a Being interchanging with so the environment. That definition deoe snt chanege."

student1 say s, "Communion that aliens try to say us is this: we are in a inrteractional cone ctedness of experiences. To enter of in a comunion is to enter to interacting wi th the universe with the armony and rithm. To live in peace, without illness, wi thout wars, because there arent parts in conflict. Only exists a kind of classs of human in their planet. But qwe in our earth planet we have a variety of races fighting with ourselves."

You say, "I see and this the most important message,I believe, we need to hear a nd is precisely what is meant by organism/environment in that we cannot be defin ed separatly from our world we are embedded in an interconnected cosmic matrix"

You say, "WHat you say about communion is exactly what I mean by CONSCIOUS SYMBI OSIS is that phrase clear in its meaning?"

student1 says, "To enter in a Mraa Macro-cosmic interaction. Some of the aliens (angelicals pribncipally) are here not to quest the planet, but to help us to ra ise in our intrernal life. Thats oyther symbolism of Crhist, krisna, quetzalcoat hl, budda"

You say, "UFO's primary task is to raise our conscious awareness to a higher lev el so that we may see ourselves as we truly are correct?"

student1 says, "Yes CONSCIOUS SYMBIOSIS111!!!. We are not separate of the world, we are interchanging with environment, to living interacting with the nature."

student1 says, "aristoclas and other philosophists said that we are only: The Being is the same viewaesd by other facers. The being ids the same , but we see it by diferent ways depending the organism or material thing."

You say, "In my paper i say that it is a dangerous prospect to be uncosciously i nvovled in a symbiotic relationship"

student1 says, "yes, that is the Ufos primary task."

You say, "Yes we look different when we are viewed as different aspects of our en vironment"

student1 says, "And i say that we can be awareness to the communion not losing our actual vision. but to integrate the vision the aliens try to teach us and the lineal cvision we have (Ordinary to p hilosophical)"

You say, "We cannot be different from the angels in the UFO's they are our high er selves?"

student1 says, "Yes, bec ause we are in the likeness ogf God. We are in the walking to be angels, or mayb e we are angels but we caare not conscuious of it. We are in the process to get the self-realization."

You say, "So we do not lose our current view completely but integrte it with wha t we are learning is that correct?"

student1 says, "Yes friend: that s i want to say you. in the same way thet at we cannot lose a part of us, the ps ychology cannot lose the parts of ti it(old and new conceptualization odf the ma n)"

You say, "I think it is as you say that we are the angels but are simply not con scious of it maybe this is also what Jung would have said"

You say, "So then awareness is not losing our capacity to function in the world but enhances it improves it so that we will not destroy ourselves and this preci ous planet which is in fact our extended body"

student1 says, "The aliens try to inrechanenge otheir knowledges to us, but this knowledge is the same as the ancient cultures like egyptiands, mayas have g et"

You say, "We have receive this basic knowledge before and it keeps getting muddl ed and lost or otherwise misconstrued so that we miss the point but it is nothin g new as I have also said in the part of my essay titled Ancient Wisdom to Moder n Science"

student1 says, "To get aweaareness about we are humans in the process to le arn by his life. The recognition of our ewrongs arent a lost of time. it is a wi nning way to increase ofur awareness of we are not perfect, but with the hpopre to be perfect as god."

You say, "And the Hindus also have known these things for millenia "

You say, "You are saying ,I think, that we can learn from our mistakes and that it is not too late to change our thinking and change our worldview"

student1 says, "Im surprised that we are talking about the same thing by other o words... thats the same tahat all the religions and all the teories., they say the same but with other words, then the preposition is to unificate the knowledg e to create an unique vision, with the same words, and then this knkowledge to a dapt to particiular phenomena or situatiuons"

student1 says, "Its not late, we can chage t yet. principally b ecause the people think that the next millenious is the enfd of the world. No, I think that isnt the ednd, we can change yet."

a war over which end they should breas k their eggs on

You say, "Yes all religions are saying basically the same thing it is ridiculous as you say that thaey cannot see this. It is like Gulliver's Travels bt Jonathon Swift in which there is a war over which end they should break their eggs on"

student1 says, "We can evoid the earths destruction and to rupth the destiny of the humans ed end."

student1 says, "yes thats the same t hat Gullivers travels, the ridiculous way to life."

You say, "According to the Hindus we are going to create an era of peace and enl ightenment and also according to the prophet Nostradamus "

student1 says, "Nostradamus says an advertense but i think that it isnt necesaritly a destiniy . "

You say, "The Protestants and the Catholics are fighting in Ireland still and over trivialities they bascially believe the same thing; it is a political excuse"

You say, "Nostradamus says that we can change things that our destiny is not a f ixed thing we have a cetain amount of free will to create our own future"

You say, "I don't know advertense"

student1 says, "We are not hin a destiny. we construct ousr destiny, our life. H ave you ever heard about the social cosntruccionism."

student1 says, "the theory of social constructionism"

You say, "Yes I am familiar with the social constructivist ideas and I like them they make sense to me I am currently writing a paper on emotions using in part a social constructivist perspective"

student1 says, "The advertense is this : there are a wolrlds war, the destructio n of the human, the end of the humans civilization."

student1 says, "yes, the social constructionism says us that we con struct a life in interasction by the environment, as the same waty we construct a bouilding."

You say, "I see but Nostradamus also said we can change things his message is li ke the UFO's a warning not all gloom and doom"

student1 says, "all th e messages, about maysas, egyptioans, jesuchrist, aliens and nostradamus woldd would make awareness to our destiny if we continue destroing the world but unfor tunaltelly, most of the people dont take conscious of it."

student1 says, "We would never ignore the message of thwee soul, represente d by this figures or images, but it seems that we are very worrirded by himself, . wahts hapenning qwith the people''? what does people neded to understand the m essage?"

You say, "Yes this is the sad part people are not open are not listening they ar e existing on a low point on Maslow's hierarchy and they don't even know it"

You say, "We have lost the language of the soul our mythology is devoid of meani ng has been reduced to the level of secular banality"

student1 says, "I think the psycology can help to take awareness in the people, in the terapy, in the grupoop process like it, in the lectures to the comunity. we can do much to inform people about the care of the commons"

You say, "I am interested in wilderness therapy to get people back in touch with their primal roots with nature so they can redefine who they are they don't kno w who they are"

You say, "We need identity today now "

You say, "This has to be the new function of psychology not adjust people to an insane society but to wake them up to who they are a refutation of dualism"

student1 says, "Manuel cervantes says that threre are levels of integration in t he therapy: the foirst level is the ghost-person, the second level is mind-body, the third organism-environment, the forurth transpersonalizatiuon an d the last one is the unity. The terapy refers the level of integration is important to ge t the identity and to enter to the comunion of the environment" student1 says, "To cr eate an healthy society that the person can adapt in it. Not to adapt in an ilne ss society as we know it actually."

You say, "Ask Manuel if he can email me his ideas on this subject I am very inte rested in hearing what he has to say on this it sounds really great!"

student1 says, "Yes, i will ask him. Thats an interesting point for me too."

You say, "Yes and this has largely been the function of modern therapy we ned to revision psychology to learn what the illness has to teach us not just treat th e symptoms but get at the root of the problem"

student1 says, "the Manuels adress is mcervan@halcon.laguna.ual.mx."

You say, "I must say I am really enjoying talking to you Gabriel"

You say, " I will email Manuel Thank you"

You say, "My reular mail address is 5276 Mill Creek Road Healdsburg California 9 5448"

student1 says, "Yes, i must tio say it too. Dont rupt the conection. We are a gr oup integred, we are in a symbiosis, and the distance is not a limit."

You say, "This is ground breaking innovative learning and I want to continue the friendship and discussions even after this class is over OK?"

student1 says, "my adreess i n torren coah. mexico is cjavier mina street #147 int.4 (dapartment 4) c.p. (z.p .) 27000. I dont have e-mail but weyou can contact me by arts e-mail. You can se nd me a regular letter too"

You say, "Maybe someday I can actually meet you face to face "

You say, "Good then we will continue maybe we can have another telnet session al so next week?"

student1 says, "yes, we really can do it. But while it can occur, we are in virt ual contact."

student1 says, "yes, say me the date and time of the next connection."

very well

You say, "Yes virtual contact is working in our case very well"

student1 says, "I psropose to be on tuesdays at the sam e time as now, tuesdays at 4.00 to 6.00 in your city, saturday at anytime you su ggest."

student1 says, "I want to talk with claudio if it is can be posible. "

You say, "How about next Wednesday "I normally work during this time can you do it on Wednesday (miercoles)"

student1 says, "Well, wednesday is a graeat day, w hat time."

You say, "I will tell Claudio and maybe we can do this the three of us"

You say, "Wednesday at 12:00 my time 2:00 your time ok?"

student1 says, "Good!!!, we, the three, can be an aintegrated virtual group that doesnt want to died... t we sutrvive to the last virtual process

student1 says, "yes, wednesday at 12.00 in your country, 2.00 in my country."

You say, "Yes we are Die Hards as they say"

You say, " I will virtually see you on wednesday then at 2:00 your time Oh! are we done for today?"

student1 says, "I remember the party of last thursday, i was very happy, but un fortunalelly i dont know if art, tonantxszin or my parthners wants to participate with us, but you and me arent die, true?"

You say, "Thatis true we will not give it up till thay make us"

student1 says, "I dont know, i have aproximatelly an hour free tio c to converse with you if you want."

You say, "I have every thing we have discussed on a disc and we will be posting it on the web site I have transcriptions of th ecrazy virtual party and everythi ng"

You say, "Let us keep going for about another 20 minutes because I am getting hu ngry (muy hambre) is that correct espanol?"

student1 says, "yes, it is great for me. I have saving our convesrsations too. t hat information gives me the oportunity to lerasrn more and im not able to " Wel l we can define for ending our converrsation for today, the topics to dtalk abou t, give me your interests. <<im hungry too>>"

You say, "How can international virtual learning communities help to awaken peop le and reverse tendecies toward destructuion?"

student1 says, "my interests for next wednesday is this the artistical expressio n, the systemic theory, ,virtual reality, Gestalt and the transculture. Ok?"

student1 says, "the interactional process i n a group is my promordial interest. You can say me your experiences in your gro up Learning comunities, and i will expalain you my experiences in some interacti onal groups, ok?"

You say, "OK sound sgood to me I will look forward to our discussion and will em ail Manuel as well in the meantime send any relavant email "

student1 says, "And clausdio can talk abou t his opinion of the virtual comunication in this interactional process."

You say, "This is definitely the most exciting learning I have ever done in six years of being a college student we have so much to explore and share"

student1 says, "Ok. amigo, you can eat more about y our typical food, and me want to eat the mine. We are hungry (to eat food, and t o eat knowledge)"

You say, "Claudio has written a great paper on virtual learning and will have it on our web site soon"

student1 says, "that's the same as me in four years."

"To Take in the world is what that our bodies are designed for virtually and otherwise

You say, "To Take in the world is what our bodies are designed for virtually and otherwise "

You say, "I will see you on wednesday at 2:00 your time Adios amigo. Now go and eat"

student1 says, "EWe are in a mistical conversation. See you on wednesdaty. Hasta la vitsa vista amigo and learn more about the life, then i want to lerarn more about my internal live in order to live bettre in this comunity"

student1 says, "Hasta la vista."

You say, "This is what it is all about Hasta el miercoles"

@ 2 @quit

*** Disconnected ***

Wed. Dec. 4 1996

Scott is designated as You say,

Gabriel is student1

student1 says, "for a while i think our connecting has lost, but im happy that this doesnt occur." student1 says, "precicely i send you an e-mail to you asking whats happening with you."

You say, "No it is just me I am negligent"

student1 says, "Yesterday italked with skip robinsosn and this conversation was pleasure for me"

You say, "I am ok I am just very late and I am sorry"

student1 says, "Ok, dont worry. Probably Nora can talk twith us today, but she doent come yet"

You say, "Yes Skip is great I am graduating this semester but I am going to try and stay involved with you and this program I need to atlk to Art about that"

student1 says, "i can converse with you until 3.00 in your city. about waht what topic do you want to talk?"

You say, "I have a class at 2:00 let's talk about whatever you want"

student1 says, "Congratulations for your graduating. im graduating next semester, in may or june too. Im just preparing my theisis proyect, and manuel cervantes will help me."

You say, "Do you know if Manuel got my email and also did you get mine"

student1 says, "We caan begin talking about learning comunity, the interactive gropup in Psychology."

You say, "Excellent choice I love Learning community and any person centered learning"

You say, "Oh yes Claudio cannot be here today he had to work"

student1 says, "I dont know if manuel send you the hies, but he receive the yours, I saved it in my diskett. i sent you an e-mail of my congress, and in manuels part i explained about the psychoterapys levels."

You say, "Ok good I checked my email at about 7:30 this morning but it was not there yet"

You say, "I will check it again later"

student1 says, "Ok. ClaI will send to claudio an email later. Abiout learning comunity, i think that is an interactive group process about people who works together in the finding of any pr coommon propose, is that right?"

student1 says, "In your words, what is Laearning comunity"

student1 says, "I will prepare an interactive gropup for my thesis proyect and Nora havs prepared t other.Nora will form a group of childsren and me will form an interesting group of psych majors (students9) who can share knowledge and experiences

You say, "Yes that is right it is also about creating a safe space to be yourself wiithout being judged in, this environment learning can take place more easily because of the absence of conditions of worth you get to be yourself it is empowering and life affirming"

student1 says, "I wait your suggests about how to managge an interacytive group, i will ask skip oabout lethe way to integrate and interact in a groiup. later ill send you the structure of my proyect"

You say, "It is based on Carl Rogers ideas on person centered learning and therapy. I feel that it is a much more valid way of learning than traditional learrning methods. The power is in the hands of the students to direct their own learning"

You say, "Skip was a faccilitator in my first semester in learning community It is very non-directive "

student1 says, "Carl Rogers is a good one. his theory is interesting, especially because he centers in the person, not in the pathology of someone. The Gestalt can help in this interactional process in a group."

You say, "Yes gestalt can be a good tool to use in this type of learning, but we did not use this method per se in my L.C. experience. I can see how it would work well though you would have to be very careful"

student1 says, "the law in a group, in a psych group is this <<think in now and in present tense>>, <<center your mind and soul in your internal life and dont judge the others. >> <<the cjhanges in oneself sourches in oneself, it isnt prodeuces by others>> >><<the most important point of motivation is in our internal neded>> <<with interaction in a group is an important way to develop w own capacirtyy"

student1 says, "im sstablishing this laws by Gestalt, humanistic theory and systemic theory. <<in a group, there are no distance between the persons, n but the limits between you and the others are in yourself, if you can open to the others, the others open you their own doors<<"

You say, "You have got it. The community helps develop this capacity and also provides identity to the group members; People become defined by their place in the group"

student1 says, "the purpose of my interactive group is the integration from separate parts <<as individual person>< to an ineterconnected group, without lose the identity"

You say, "This opening depends on creating a "safe container" and how safe people feel in the group I feel"

student1 says, "the place in a gruo group is importnat impoetant for each member, its also important the identity in the group, the integration and the sane comunication"

You say, "In this sense I feel that the individual can feel like they are an individual/community whole a gestalt as it were"

You say, "I feel that what you are doing is very important and wonderful"

student1 says, "the confidence, i think you refeer it with <<self container>>. other law says <<all we talk in a group doent go out of the group>>, <<we can develop the self-confidence to converse with others and to express our internal feelings with the thinking that the group dont judge ous>>"

You say, "There is a man you should read his name is M.Scott Peck he writes about community his book is called The Different Drum"

You say, "You are right that is what I am talking about. The self confidence comes from not being afraid of being judged"

student1 says, "Your information is wonderful too. your essay is the key to discover the <<deepest question>> of the conception of the human being (skip say me that the deepest question is my primasry interest by observing our conversation and this word is interesting for mae)"

.student1 says, "the propose of my interactive group ais: the first, in an interactive gruoup to discover our internal capacity to be a self..-realizated human, and the second, to discover the answer of the deepest question"

You say, "I am glad you liked my essay and that I have a chance to share it with you. "

You say, "You have very good goals for your group and I feel the work you are going to be doing to be very impartant maybe the most important kind of work that you could be doing"

student1 says, "indrs net is as interesting as yin-yang. i explored the net and i find alans watt e wegb page. I will read it. "

You say, "Alan Watts has a web page? I did not know that I will have to find it. Watts is my main mentor I love his work he is very important to me WOW!"

student1 says, "i want to propose you if we can contuinue participating in this virtual group next semester, if you can, and to integrate you as a virtual connection inthat can include in my thesis proyect. well, unfortunately you caan not be corporally in my hipotetic gropup, but you can continue in theis space."

You say, "Indras Net is the commons and the community they are the same and have a lot to do with learnin community"

student1 says, "clearly, my propose to you ids this, you and me (probalbly Nora and another you invite) can integratate a new virtual group in next semester, with a mission, to discover the response of the deepest question."

You say, "Yes I really want to continue doing this and will ask Art how I can do this even though I will not be a student here next semester I will be doing Graduate scool here though next fall"

You say, "I would love to do what you propose and will start working on a way to do this Tell Art what you want to do I will also email him and get thid idea going"

student1 says, "Ok. i will ask Art about it. othrer laew in a group is this >>if achange is produced i n me, this change surely afefects the all members in a group, it is the same as jewel net."

You say, "This sounds very exciting"

student1 says, "next week i will complete the structure of my thesis, and i will email you when it is finished."

You say, "Yes it definitely has a profound effect and that is how we will affect change in the world; we think alike"

You say, "I look forward to reading your thesis "

student1 says, "other law says that <<if you love our own image, you are able to love your parthners, if you dont respet yourself, the other doenont respet you. the law of cause-efefect in a nonlinear way, not me, not the other have the guilt of any problem, we aare envolved in the same consecuence.>>"

You say, "Let us do this again next week which is the last week of classes for me this semester"

student1 says, "Ok, friend, you propose the date and time to our next connection. "

You say, "What you say is true respect and happiness is an inside job you cannot hope to love or be loved in return if yoy do not love yourself first

You say, "Wenesday at the same time and I promise I will not be late this time 12:00 my time 2:00 your time and again I am sorry I was late this is very important to me"

student1 says, "the first part of integrating in a group is who is in the group?, who participate in a member?, later, who lead this group?, later, Who can talk and interact as a member, and later whoat is the role in a group. the final part is the symbiosis."

student1 says, "Ok, wednesday at 12.00 in your city, 2.00 in mine."

student1 says, "some of the topics in my proyect is the selfvaloration, comunication, interpersonal connecting, motivation, sensibilization, etc. in the practical part pone"

You say, "Sounds good There are many dynamics and problems that can arise in a group process and it is very worthwhile and sometimes very difficult "

student1 says, "in the other part we integrate a discuss panel about hoew to conceptualizate the human being."

You say, "Tell me about sensibilization please"

student1 has disconnected.

You say, "Gabriel are you there?"

You say, "we got cut off what happened?"

You say, "anybody there?"

You say, "Ay caramba donde esta Gabriel?"

You say, "I will email you and find out what happened"

student2 has connected.

You say, "Hola aqui Scott "

student2 says, "sorry me, my computer have a problem"

You say, "I have fifteen minutes left"

student2 says, "Im gabriel"

You say, "Good I thought so "

You say, "I would like to share with you my writings on my learning community experience"

student2 says, "well, i sopose w i will lost mthe informastion of this day because the other computer doent respond. you can save it for me and then to emailme later}

You say, "OK I have it all on a diskette"

student2 says, "Ok. your information can be helpful for me. thankds"

You say, "I guess I will have to mail it through regular mail "

You say, "Also, I will send you the stages of community bt M.Scott Peck It is very helpfu l I think"

student2 says, "Probably next week there will be information in my portfolio in the web page. Jose Andrade (i sopose you knoew) will help me to put essays in my web page."

student2 says, "Ok. i will send you the basis of interactional groups in asome books of dsocial psychology and the conversation between skip and me"

You say, "Fantastic I look forward to reading your stuff, soon Claudio and the others willalso have their writings on the site"

student2 says, "Ok. CIm interest in Claudios comments about virtual reality i sent him. Please stell Claudio hsend me your comments at manuels adress"

You say, "Yes I would like to hear what you and Skip Talked about and the interactional groups too. I think we have much to learn from each other"

student2 says, "ill wait your comments about my thesis proyect. Your experience and knowledge may helpme very much"

You say, "I will tellClaudio again to email you and will share our talk with him as well

student2 says, "thanks"

You say, "You flatter me I am also learning much from you"

student2 says, "what is the next topic to talk next week?, what do you propose?"

You say, "How about further exploration of person centered learning and what it means to have no conditions of worth, that is total acceptance and hoe that empowers the individual"

student2 says, "to continue talking learning psychology, the transpersonal psychology, the ancient cultures as mayas and egyptiand and others, the old and new conectoions, or what?"

student2 says, "Ok, the Carl Rogerspropose is interesting, and we include the Gestalt and the systemic theory."

You say, "Ok I ma open to discuss whatever you wish and I love all the topics we have touched on"

You say, "Ok and if you come up with something else you want to discuss we do that too"

You say, "I am sorry once again that we did not get all the time we could have today next time I wont be late but for now I have to go to class"

student2 says, "We are in a commiting propose to discover: the reason of the human being, do you remember the propose of our first connection?, All the topics are reffering in it. Thats the major mission of this interactive group. is that true?"

You say, "Yes that is true and I believe is the main mission of psychology"

You say, "There is nothing that does not pertain to it right?

You say, "I must go now to class"

student2 says, "Ok amigo, see you at wednesday at 12.00 in your city. On monday we (in UAL) will have our party , the christmas party, thats a interacting way to integrate the psych major. I will comment my experiences, and happy new year and christmas"

asts a el miercoles amigo

You say, "Hasta el miercoles amigo"

student2 says, "keep in tousch!!!amigo"

You say, "Next wednesday at 2:00 your time I will be here this time"

@quit

*** Disconnected ***

Wed. Dec. 11, 1996 last SSU--UAL connection for Fall 96 semester

Scott is designated as You say,

Gabriel is Student 2 this time

student1 has disconnected.

student2 has connected.

You say, " Gabriel this is Scott"

student2 says, "hi, im gabriel"

student2 says, "did you visit my web page?"

You say, "Good this will be our last meeting for awhile i think"

student2 says, "I put an essay and five poems"

student2 says, "Ok, scott, i konow this, i hope you can meet me la s semester. what do you wand to talk now?"

great

You say, "Yes I read both your essay and your poems just last night I love your poems and your essay is great"

You say, "I sent you an email about learning community did you receive it?"

student2 says, "next days i will pi put two essays in my web page, about my expe rience talking with you in this virtual group, other about my thesis proyect"

"I look forward to reading more of your writings we will keep the web site up for a year for otherd s student2 says, "I received it, but i hadont have time to r ead it. I think it refeers about Learning Comunity, and I think this will be int erestimng anhd help ful"

to read

You say, "I look forward to reading more of your writings we will keep the web site up for a year for others to read"

"Maybe you will gettime time to read it after the semester is over

You say, "Maybe you will get time to read it after the semester is over"

student2 says, "Yes, i alwill always have time to read all you write in it. I lo ve it!!!"

"I also just added some more to my web portfolio under My Journal it is called s ix paragraphs and defines persstudent2 says, "Did you save our last conversation , if yes, can you send me before the semester isd over, please?"

on and community among other things

You say, "I also just added some more to my web portfolio under My Journal it is called six paragraphs and defines person and community among other things"

"Yes i save our last conversation and tommorrow we are going to put al l l of them on the web site

You say, "Yes i save our last conversation and tommorrow we are going to put all of them on the web site"

"Even the crazy student2 says, "I think nora will put essays into her web page, but first i wlii will talk with andrasde to pt her name into the wb web page , to create her own portfolio"

party

You say, "Even the crazy party"

"Sounds good I would like to hear what Nora has to say and I will look forward t o reading her writings

You say, "Sounds good I would like to hear what Nora has to say and I will look forward to reading her writings"

student2 says, "Yes, our crazy party, it will be something to remember when i wl l be sad"

"Yes it is really fun to read it and remembr er

You say, "Yes it is really fun to read it and remember"

"How much longer is your sems seter ster?

You say, "How much longer is your semsester?"

"This is mstudent2 says, "Unfortunately Nora cant come now, she have much work, but you will notice about her interests, the artistic expression workshop, an in teractive group with children."I will go uot of the semester next friday, but i will bec come to the university the next week to preparer my thesis. I hope to g ratuate last semester at may or june"

y last week

You say, "This is my last week"

"Are you going on to a masters graduate program?

You say, "Are you going on to a masters graduate program?"

student2 says, "Congratulations for your gratuation. What are your next plans (o f majoring and personal life)"

"I am thinking about taking a cous rse in conflict resloutin on t olutin on w in order to get a ce rtificate

I don't understand that.

"I am thinking about getting a certyi== ificate in conflict resolution

You say, "I am thinking about getting a certificate in conflict resolution"

student2 says, "I will majoring in copuple and family terapy, with systemic and self theoryies. but first i would to work in a clinic, maybe as a coordinator, m aybe working in a school teaching psychology a, or to bebe working in a iindustr y. I hope to work in clinical Psychology, but if it isnt possible, to work in a school."

"It sounds like your undergraduate degree gives you a lot more ability to functi on at a higher level than mine I will need a Masterstudent2 says, "conlflict res olution? it sounds interesting"

s degree to do anything like what you are going to do

You say, "It sounds like your undergraduate degree gives you a lot more ability to function at a higher level than mine I will need a Masters degree to do anyth ing like what you are going to do"

"In order to teach, for instance I would need a masters level degree in the stat es

You say, "In order to teach, for instance I would need a masters level degree in the states"

student2 says, ""i think you understand wrong my statement. I will ga f graduate in Psychology, but I think to take a Master in Couple anfd family terapy wafter i will graduate in june. Here in mexico we will need majoring too."

"Oh I see I did misunderstand I thought wrong it sounds great what you plan on d oing and there is a great need for therapists

You say, "Oh I see I did misunderstand I thought wrong it sounds great what you plan on doing and there is a great need for therapists"

"I commend you for your aspirations

You say, "I commend you for your aspirations"

student2 says, "I like to work in interactive groups of human development too. M y experiences in it was very helpful, and i want to integrate more groups in a f uture, one next semester, and during my life as a psychologisyyt"

"Groups are the wave of the future they say I think grou ups like learning commu nity are a great way to grow and learn

You say, "Groups are the wave of the future they say I think groups like learn ing community are a great way to grow and learn"

"I sure hope I can keep doing this next semester I have sent an email to Art a bout this but I have not heastudent2 says, "Because this im interestesd to conti nue meeting with you ad and your parents in parthners (i want to saty classmeate s) . i think you can giver me more ideas of it"

rd back from him

You say, "I sure hope I can keep doing this next semester I have sent an email to Art about this but I have not heard back from him"

"I want to stay classmates too I feel Like we are just beginning

You say, "I want to stay classmates too I feel Like we are just beginning"

student2 says, "Yes, i feel the same. i begin but i dont want to stop. this is t he most intimal moment of group."

"I received your email with your converstaion with Skip and it seems I might be able to be a teachers assta= istant if I volunteer which I would do gladly I have to also finda a job as I have always worked on campus and will lose my job when I graduate Must be student to keep my jobstudent2 says, "My propose is to find the self-realization, to search something more far of daily activities. I have great goeals. I want to be a great change agent in the psychology as science, an agent wivc who contemplates the psychology different from others. Im interest i n the spiritual awakenning. I want to become a great writer of the life."

You say, "I received your email with your converstaion with Skip and it seems I might be able to be a teachers assistant if I volunteer which I would do gladly I have to also find a job as I have always worked on campus and will lose my job when I graduate Must be student to keep my job"

"I havew e the same aspirations as you I want to help change the world as difficult as that sounds we must do this together

You say, "I have the same aspirations as you I want to help change the world as difficult as that sounds we must do this together"

"I have plans to write a book and exo pand on the ideas in my essay

You say, "I have plans to write a book and expand on the ideas in my essay"

"We can rebvi vise Psychology you on the Mexican side and me on this side ac a cross c ultural revision

You say, "We can revise Psychology you on the Mexican side and me on this side a cross cultural revision"

"I mea I think it is a worthy goal

You say, "I think it is a worthy goal"

student2 says, "We are in the revolution, in the trsansformation moment. I exper ience my own process of integration as psychology dsays"

"You are amazing my friend I cannot beliestudent2 says, "I really connect with m y soul, and you should saw it in my poems."

ve you are only twenty years old

You say, "You are amazing my friend I cannot believe you are only twenty years o ld"

"Yes I didi see it in your poems they are very heartfelt and I can see very since re You are doing the most important work

You say, "Yes I did see it in your poems they are very heartfelt and I can see v ery sincere You are doing the most important work"

student2 says, "Im more as a jounger person, i lived fast but ill try to live mo re slow and better. i think i am advanced by myto my age thinking waited in a yo ung."

"Mo "You have a great spirit for psychology and self work The type of inner work yo u are doing is esstudent2 says, "Next i will write mor e poems describing before and after my intermnal process. I changed very much that in my first semester. Im surprised by my advence (advance9)"

sential if you are to help others

You say, "You have a great spirit for psychology and self work The type of inne r work you are doing is essential if you are to help others"

student2 says, "Are you feeling your own changes too?"

"Yes I am I have taken a Counseling course this semester and part of that is doi ng some of the same inner work Isat started in the Ler arning communitystudent2 says, "I think learning community was very helpful for you. I want to be in one of th em, but unfortunately in UAL there isnt groups as it."

You say, "Yes I am I have taken a Counseling course this semester and part of th at is doing some of the same inner work I started in the Learning community"

You must create one "You must create one of your own I will send you more material on community.stud ent2 says, "But i have the porpose to create groups of interactions that permits to begin process of integration, of human developnment, principally in psych st udents. "

Thi s is is powewrful stuff

You say, "You must create one of your own I will send you more material on commu nity. This is powewrful stuff"

"This tyo pe of learning is under rated and undervalued and misunderstood here In many ways people do not give new ideas a chance to work

You say, "This type of learning is under rated and undervalued and misunderstood here In many ways people do not give new ideas a chance to work"

"Creating a safe containerstudent2 says, "I am a revolution agent. I revive the almost death Human Development Center in UAL, I propose psych proyects of human development and diagnostic process. My spirit ogf helful is very great. I have t housands of proyects wich permits to self-realization process."

is an important part of lean person centered learning

You say, "Creating a safe container is an important part of person centered lear ning"

"Wow you are really self motivated I am impressed and I believe you can do it I want to come to see you

You say, "Wow you are really self motivated I am impressed and I believe you can do i"

"Do it was wht at i meant to say

You say, "Do it was what i meant to say"

"You inpsire me that I can also do similar things here

You say, "You inpsire me that I can also do similar things here"

student2 says, "My first ideal is to create awareness in psych major students, i am creating changes in first-semester-studentsa, specially in one of my future disciple, a student of psych major. She is really interest to learn more, and i will hel herI will help all that permit the change, and im sure she is happy to learn more. "

"It sopund ounds to me liks you are already making a big difference in the world. Kee p it up!

You say, "It sounds to me liks you are already making a big difference in the wo rld. Keep it up!"

"I have been sharistudent2 says, "I am inspired, i really discover my mission of the life: my goal is simple: living as i want rto do, i want to share my experi ernces and knowledge to other, because i was closer to the other before my chang e. I want to live more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!."

ng with others and getting good responses which is ecouraging hoping I can make a difference

You say, "I have been sharing with others and getting good responses which is ec ouraging hoping I can make a difference"

"We c are on parallel paths I believe and that we should nurturestudent2 says, "Im experimenting a feeling in my heart, im really happy for all i lived in this se mester, but i have to recognize that there are hardest moments tooo. I live happ y, but i feel pain too, i think that we really understand to the illness people if you have emphaty to them."

our friendship

You say, "We are on parallel paths I believe and that we should nurture our frie ndship"

"I have been doing some writing on empathy. This concept is probab; ly the most i student2 says, "Yes, i feel you are the other part of my body, osf my osoul, its lke we are its like we are twins, do you n believe me?"

mportant thing one can learn to learn to feel what the othewr feels yet not lose yourself in their pain

You say, "I have been doing some writing on empathy. This concept is probably t he most important thing one can learn to learn to feel what the othewr feels yet not lose yourself in their pain"

"Yes I belive ieve in you and I believe you I feel the same way. I can e really relat e to you more than I can some some americans most american norte americanos

You say, "Yes I believe in you and I believe you I feel the same way. I can rea lly relate to you more than I can most norte americanos"

student2 says, "We are connecting with the unity, to the universe. We are in the same road, i think you suffer (and enjoy) the same as me. We are like in a tera py process of change. This experience will help me to understand the Terapy enco unter between a terapist ands a part patient"

"I think that all relationships can be revitalized and improved by this tyo pe of interaction (empathic)

You say, "I think that all relationships can be revitalized and improved by this type of interaction (empathic)"

student2 says, "I really enjoy this conversation!, thats the kind of w experiren ces i want to live. To open my soul and nake my feelings to other without the th inkigng that we a i can be judged by other. I really express i fell feel without walls."

"That is a major part and premise of learning community is no-judging. I did a cognitive behavior project student2 says, "Sorry for my mistakes, im practicing my english yet, i hope you understand me. how i talk."

where i was supposed to change my behavior, I picked becoming more accepting an d was confrontr ed with my shadow side, this was difficult and will take a lot lo nger thab n the four weeks allowed for the project, possibly my whole life.student 2 says, "empathic and condfidewnnce C(confidence) ids is the key to an interacti onal meeting"

You say, "That is a major part and premise of learning community is no-judging. I did a cognitive behavior project where i was supposed to change my behavior, I picked becoming more accepting and was confronted with my shadow side, this was difficult and will take a lot longer than the four weeks allowed for the pro ject, possibly my whole life."

"I understand you because I can see through your mistakes to the essence of what you mean. I make mistakes too and it is interesting to see how you use the lang uage it sometimes makes me see the rak eal meaning of the words

You say, "I understand you because I can see through your mistakes to the essenc e of what you mean. I make mistakes too and it is interesting to see how you use the language it sometimes makes me see the real meaning of the words"

"The confidence student2 says, "Yes i knew my ghost part, that i didnt accept be fore, i suffered but im good to live however i suffered"

that comes wh ith not being afriad aid of judgments...YES!

You say, "The confidence that comes with not being afraid of judgments...YES!"

"Lif Part of being fully alive in the world is suffering...you must atke the gg ood wi th the bda ad otherwise you are emotionally dead

You say, "Part of being fully alive in the world is suffering...you must atke th e good with the bad otherwise you are emotionally dead"

student2 says, "I make mistakeds in my live life n but i learn to solve ithem as good as possible. with wrongs or not we will live, however. The key is tgo find the best form to live without hurt himdself or to the other. To live in peace w ith yourself., with myself, without the worry that we are making mistake by mist ake, and thinking all the t day in it, not letting the oportunity to live"

"I see what you say...In other words if we are too worried about making mistakes we are immobilized ,static we cannot move forward

You say, "I see what you say...In other words if we are too worried about making mistakes we are immobilized,static we cannot move forward "

student2 says, "Because we are humans we are in the law to suffer i want we want . We are in the law to feel and think, to let us to enjoy about the mysteryies o f the life, dont worring that this things are good or bad."

"Ther e is a chinese story that shows we don't really always know what is good or bad. I have also heard it said that to divide the world into good and bad is t he disease of the mind

You say, "There is a chinese story that shows we don't really always know what i s good or bad. I have also heard it said that to divide the world into good and bad is the disease of the mind"

student2 says, "I learn to not worring in something that nevermind, that doesnt necesary to solve. One phrase says: Id if your problem has solution, why you are worring, if it hdoent have solution, has no sense to worry."

"What you say makes so much sense to me, ya ey t I have a hard time actually living t it. I still worry about stupid things sometyi imes

You say, "What you say makes so much sense to me, yet I have a hard time actuall y living it. I still worry about stupid things sometimes"

"Worry is useless it doesstudent2 says, "Yes we need to be able to receive all t he experiences and to take the advantage of them in order to raise the herienrar c herierch of the life."

not help either take action or dropi t it...right?

You say, "Worry is useless it does not help either take action or drop it...righ t?"

"As Thomas Moore says we need to see what sort of gid ft or lessom n is in the suffe ring. Insted ad of trying to get rid of it by treating symptomsstudent2 says, "ye s worry doesnt help. its better to take the action, the intention of making some one with thge the decicion to solve problems instead of thinking all the day in them."

You say, "As Thomas Moore says we need to see what sort of gift or lesson is in the suffering. Instead of trying to get rid of it by treating symptoms"

"Worry only hurts th worrier. Like guilt it is almost a useless emotion unless it motivates you to action

You say, "Worry only hurts th worrier. Like guilt it is almost a useless emotio n unless it motivates you to action"

student2 says, "The suffering is a symptom taht the that we need to change somet hing, that we must change something that doenstwork good."

"Yes I agree we need to lokk ok closely at our suffering and learn what it has to t each us

You say, "Yes I agree we need to look closely at our suffering and learn what it has to teach us"

"James Hillman anstudent2 says, "The soul is wise, he send messages about your i nternal function. We as humans need to heard it."

Thomas Moore and Robert s Sardello talk of this sort of thing in their books

You say, "James Hillman Thomas Moore and Robert Sardello talk of this sort of th ing in their books"

"Facing the world with soul is Thomas Moore's phrase for this

You say, "Facing the world with soul is Thomas Moore's phrase for this"

student2 says, "Guilt is healty when permits to reflect i with yourself and to g ive the kaey to solve the problem as well as posible. But if one lives all the t ime in guilts, he doent let to live."

"Guiltt can be destructive if one cannot find a way out s . Existential guilt, feel ing you don't even han ve a right toexist exist is a terrible thing that many people su ffer from

I don't understand that.

Guilt can be a destructive if one cannot find a way student2 says, "Do you say the expersion of Paul mcarthley <<lei live and let die>>"

out Existential guilt, feeling guilty thast t you do nit even have a right to exist is a widespread problem today

I don't understand that.

student2 says, "It says that you must live your live life, d not to woory in w h ow the people live. not to worry in how to peolple live."

"Yes I have heard Pauls song and I am big Beatle fan too . I like his philosophy

You say, "Yes I have heard Pauls song and I am big Beatle fan too. I like his p hilosophy"

"Guilt can be destructive if one cannot find a way out. Existenetial tisa al guilt is wi despread problem: Feeling you do not evemstudent2 says, "I am a fan of Beatles s ince two or three monts ago, when i saw a special program of them in the T.V."

n have a rigth to exist

You say, "Guilt can be destructive if one cannot find a way out. Existential gu ilt is widespread problem: Feeling you do not even have a rigth to exist"

"I am musician and before I becamea a college student I was a professional drumm er. I still play my Conga drums adn my guitar when time permits. I have been a Beatle fan since the sixties 60'student2 says, "the existencial crisis in the l ife, its that the existencialism try to say. I dont know much about Paul Sartre and Albert camus, but i read Kierkegaard and Heidegger. The life and how to live it is the main idea. "

s

You say, "I am musician and before I became a college student I was a professio nal drummer. I still play my Conga drums adn my guitar when time permits. I ha ve been a Beatle fan since the sixties 60's"

"Have you read Rollo May or ?

You say, "Have you read Rollo May?"

student2 says, "You play the drums, I dont believe irt. !!!. ts great"

"Yes since I was about 14 I played in bands and had to quit because it was too l od ud it dan maged my hearing

You say, "Yes since I was about 14 I played in bands and had to quit because it was too loud it damaged my hearing"

"I have about 15 minutes left

You say, "I have about 15 minutes left"

student2 says, "Rollo May, yes., i read a bok book titled in spanish <<La realiz acin del mito>>, the realization of the mith (i think thats the traduction in en glish). It says that the myth as important as a beklief in someone that isnt a c old and insensible definition in the sciendce."

"I have read and I own this same book. A very impe ortant book I think . I will d hare a paper I wrote on this book (short response paper)

You say, "I have read and I own this same book. A very important book I think. I will dhare a paper I wrote on this book (short response paper)"

"That is Share not dhare i student2 says, "Ok, scott, friend, for ending our ci cle of conversations for this semester (i hope to continue with you next semeste r), we will give a conclutition about the importance of this virttual meeting."

am not a good typist

You say, "That is Share not dhare i am not a good typist"

" I still have a few minutes left

You say, " I still have a few minutes left"

"Look for these conversations to be on the web site. We will be immortalized on the web

You say, "Look for these conversations to be on the web site. We will be immort alized on the web"

student2 says, "Dont worry about your mistake. I will go out of the semester wit h the satisfaction to experiment a change in my internal life, and i promise to continue changing"

"Ah Worry again I won't worry student2 says, "Its a pleasure to converse with y ou, i really feel great. "

You say, "Ah Worry again I won't worry "

"I feel grat too and I feel that we have really made a great connection with eac h other

You say, "I feel grat too and I feel that we have really made a great connection with each other"

"I will send you some writings through regular mail sometstudent2 says, "Yes we will trasspass the limits of oneself. I am, and you are history in the web. We a re the cchallengers of a new future."

ime during the break

You say, "I will send you some writings through regular mail sometime during the break"

"That is what I want to be , a Challeger nger of the nw ew future and makers of history

You say, "That is what I want to be, a Challenger of the new future and makers o f history"

"You give me hope mt friend y friend

You say, "You give me hope my friend"

student2 says, "I hphope our connection can be possible in other time. While thi s, i will put more essays in my web page to i will be inmortallizated too. Im re ally happy to contributes in the chanmge."

"I will keep my eye on the web for your writings and will try to stay in touch w ith you

You say, "I will keep my eye on the web for your writings and will try to stay i n touch with you"

"We need peploe ople like you in order to face what is ahead of us student2 says, "Yo u give me hope too as i will give you too. I hope your desires and goeals can be make in reallity. I want yopu you can realizaed as human being. Ill try to deve lop my capacity in human developments groups."

as a species

You say, "We need people like you in order to face what is ahead of us as a spec ies"

"I know you cannot help but succeed with your type of determination and vstudent 2 says, "Our goeals wont dead die with this connection. From distant places you and me wll know we are together to give to wold the hopeness that not all is des truction"

ision

You say, "I know you cannot help but succeed with your type of determination and vision"

I want "I want to think of this a = s a beginning and I will see you on the internet next semester i student2 says, "To give the w to the world the hopeness tah that the Hu man development and the self-realization is posible."

You say, "I want to think of this as a beginning and I will see you on the inter net next semester "

"Keep up the good work,, It has been a pleasure talking with you I must go to my counseling class now (last one)

You say, "Keep up the good work, It has been a pleasure talking with you I must go to my counseling class now (last one)"

student2 says, "Yes I will wait for you in the internet. i will not disconnect t o you in the sonoma webpage. I will survive to the temporally death, i hope."

"You will su We willsurvive the temporary death s as you say because we will make it so

You say, "We willsurvive the temporary death as you say because we will make it so"

student2 says, "Ok amigo, No digo ha adios sino hasta luego. I dont say goodbye but see you..."

"I will see you later Amog igo Hats sta la vista Gabriel and Thank you so much

You say, "I will see you later Amigo Hasta la vista Gabriel and Thank you so mu ch "

@quit

*** Disconnected ***

Wed. Dec. 11, 1996 last SSU--UAL connection for Fall 96 semester

Scott is designated as You say,

Gabriel is Student 2 this time

student1 has disconnected.

student2 has connected.

You say, " Gabriel this is Scott"

student2 says, "hi, im gabriel"

student2 says, "did you visit my web page?"

You say, "Good this will be our last meeting for awhile i think"

student2 says, "I put an essay and five poems"

student2 says, "Ok, scott, i konow this, i hope you can meet me la s semester. what do you wand to talk now?"

great

You say, "Yes I read both your essay and your poems just last night I love your poems and your essay is great"

You say, "I sent you an email about learning community did you receive it?"

student2 says, "next days i will pi put two essays in my web page, about my expe rience talking with you in this virtual group, other about my thesis proyect"

"I look forward to reading more of your writings we will keep the web site up for a year for otherd s student2 says, "I received it, but i hadont have time to r ead it. I think it refeers about Learning Comunity, and I think this will be int erestimng anhd help ful"

to read

You say, "I look forward to reading more of your writings we will keep the web site up for a year for others to read"

"Maybe you will gettime time to read it after the semester is over

You say, "Maybe you will get time to read it after the semester is over"

student2 says, "Yes, i alwill always have time to read all you write in it. I lo ve it!!!"

"I also just added some more to my web portfolio under My Journal it is called s ix paragraphs and defines persstudent2 says, "Did you save our last conversation , if yes, can you send me before the semester isd over, please?"

on and community among other things

You say, "I also just added some more to my web portfolio under My Journal it is called six paragraphs and defines person and community among other things"

"Yes i save our last conversation and tommorrow we are going to put al l l of them on the web site

You say, "Yes i save our last conversation and tommorrow we are going to put all of them on the web site"

"Even the crazy student2 says, "I think nora will put essays into her web page, but first i wlii will talk with andrasde to pt her name into the wb web page , to create her own portfolio"

party

You say, "Even the crazy party"

"Sounds good I would like to hear what Nora has to say and I will look forward t o reading her writings

You say, "Sounds good I would like to hear what Nora has to say and I will look forward to reading her writings"

student2 says, "Yes, our crazy party, it will be something to remember when i wl l be sad"

"Yes it is really fun to read it and remembr er

You say, "Yes it is really fun to read it and remember"

"How much longer is your sems seter ster?

You say, "How much longer is your semsester?"

"This is mstudent2 says, "Unfortunately Nora cant come now, she have much work, but you will notice about her interests, the artistic expression workshop, an in teractive group with children."I will go uot of the semester next friday, but i will bec come to the university the next week to preparer my thesis. I hope to g ratuate last semester at may or june"

y last week

You say, "This is my last week"

"Are you going on to a masters graduate program?

You say, "Are you going on to a masters graduate program?"

student2 says, "Congratulations for your gratuation. What are your next plans (o f majoring and personal life)"

"I am thinking about taking a cous rse in conflict resloutin on t olutin on w in order to get a ce rtificate

I don't understand that.

"I am thinking about getting a certyi== ificate in conflict resolution

You say, "I am thinking about getting a certificate in conflict resolution"

student2 says, "I will majoring in copuple and family terapy, with systemic and self theoryies. but first i would to work in a clinic, maybe as a coordinator, m aybe working in a school teaching psychology a, or to bebe working in a iindustr y. I hope to work in clinical Psychology, but if it isnt possible, to work in a school."

"It sounds like your undergraduate degree gives you a lot more ability to functi on at a higher level than mine I will need a Masterstudent2 says, "conlflict res olution? it sounds interesting"

s degree to do anything like what you are going to do

You say, "It sounds like your undergraduate degree gives you a lot more ability to function at a higher level than mine I will need a Masters degree to do anyth ing like what you are going to do"

"In order to teach, for instance I would need a masters level degree in the stat es

You say, "In order to teach, for instance I would need a masters level degree in the states"

student2 says, ""i think you understand wrong my statement. I will ga f graduate in Psychology, but I think to take a Master in Couple anfd family terapy wafter i will graduate in june. Here in mexico we will need majoring too."

"Oh I see I did misunderstand I thought wrong it sounds great what you plan on d oing and there is a great need for therapists

You say, "Oh I see I did misunderstand I thought wrong it sounds great what you plan on doing and there is a great need for therapists"

"I commend you for your aspirations

You say, "I commend you for your aspirations"

student2 says, "I like to work in interactive groups of human development too. M y experiences in it was very helpful, and i want to integrate more groups in a f uture, one next semester, and during my life as a psychologisyyt"

"Groups are the wave of the future they say I think grou ups like learning commu nity are a great way to grow and learn

You say, "Groups are the wave of the future they say I think groups like learn ing community are a great way to grow and learn"

"I sure hope I can keep doing this next semester I have sent an email to Art a bout this but I have not heastudent2 says, "Because this im interestesd to conti nue meeting with you ad and your parents in parthners (i want to saty classmeate s) . i think you can giver me more ideas of it"

rd back from him

You say, "I sure hope I can keep doing this next semester I have sent an email to Art about this but I have not heard back from him"

"I want to stay classmates too I feel Like we are just beginning

You say, "I want to stay classmates too I feel Like we are just beginning"

student2 says, "Yes, i feel the same. i begin but i dont want to stop. this is t he most intimal moment of group."

"I received your email with your converstaion with Skip and it seems I might be able to be a teachers assta= istant if I volunteer which I would do gladly I have to also finda a job as I have always worked on campus and will lose my job when I graduate Must be student to keep my jobstudent2 says, "My propose is to find the self-realization, to search something more far of daily activities. I have great goeals. I want to be a great change agent in the psychology as science, an agent wivc who contemplates the psychology different from others. Im interest i n the spiritual awakenning. I want to become a great writer of the life."

You say, "I received your email with your converstaion with Skip and it seems I might be able to be a teachers assistant if I volunteer which I would do gladly I have to also find a job as I have always worked on campus and will lose my job when I graduate Must be student to keep my job"

"I havew e the same aspirations as you I want to help change the world as difficult as that sounds we must do this together

You say, "I have the same aspirations as you I want to help change the world as difficult as that sounds we must do this together"

"I have plans to write a book and exo pand on the ideas in my essay

You say, "I have plans to write a book and expand on the ideas in my essay"

"We can rebvi vise Psychology you on the Mexican side and me on this side ac a cross c ultural revision

You say, "We can revise Psychology you on the Mexican side and me on this side a cross cultural revision"

"I mea I think it is a worthy goal

You say, "I think it is a worthy goal"

student2 says, "We are in the revolution, in the trsansformation moment. I exper ience my own process of integration as psychology dsays"

"You are amazing my friend I cannot beliestudent2 says, "I really connect with m y soul, and you should saw it in my poems."

ve you are only twenty years old

You say, "You are amazing my friend I cannot believe you are only twenty years o ld"

"Yes I didi see it in your poems they are very heartfelt and I can see very since re You are doing the most important work

You say, "Yes I did see it in your poems they are very heartfelt and I can see v ery sincere You are doing the most important work"

student2 says, "Im more as a jounger person, i lived fast but ill try to live mo re slow and better. i think i am advanced by myto my age thinking waited in a yo ung."

"Mo "You have a great spirit for psychology and self work The type of inner work yo u are doing is esstudent2 says, "Next i will write mor e poems describing before and after my intermnal process. I changed very much that in my first semester. Im surprised by my advence (advance9)"

sential if you are to help others

You say, "You have a great spirit for psychology and self work The type of inne r work you are doing is essential if you are to help others"

student2 says, "Are you feeling your own changes too?"

"Yes I am I have taken a Counseling course this semester and part of that is doi ng some of the same inner work Isat started in the Ler arning communitystudent2 says, "I think learning community was very helpful for you. I want to be in one of th em, but unfortunately in UAL there isnt groups as it."

You say, "Yes I am I have taken a Counseling course this semester and part of th at is doing some of the same inner work I started in the Learning community"

You must create one "You must create one of your own I will send you more material on community.stud ent2 says, "But i have the porpose to create groups of interactions that permits to begin process of integration, of human developnment, principally in psych st udents. "

Thi s is is powewrful stuff

You say, "You must create one of your own I will send you more material on commu nity. This is powewrful stuff"

"This tyo pe of learning is under rated and undervalued and misunderstood here In many ways people do not give new ideas a chance to work

You say, "This type of learning is under rated and undervalued and misunderstood here In many ways people do not give new ideas a chance to work"

"Creating a safe containerstudent2 says, "I am a revolution agent. I revive the almost death Human Development Center in UAL, I propose psych proyects of human development and diagnostic process. My spirit ogf helful is very great. I have t housands of proyects wich permits to self-realization process."

is an important part of lean person centered learning

You say, "Creating a safe container is an important part of person centered lear ning"

"Wow you are really self motivated I am impressed and I believe you can do it I want to come to see you

You say, "Wow you are really self motivated I am impressed and I believe you can do i"

"Do it was wht at i meant to say

You say, "Do it was what i meant to say"

"You inpsire me that I can also do similar things here

You say, "You inpsire me that I can also do similar things here"

student2 says, "My first ideal is to create awareness in psych major students, i am creating changes in first-semester-studentsa, specially in one of my future disciple, a student of psych major. She is really interest to learn more, and i will hel herI will help all that permit the change, and im sure she is happy to learn more. "

"It sopund ounds to me liks you are already making a big difference in the world. Kee p it up!

You say, "It sounds to me liks you are already making a big difference in the wo rld. Keep it up!"

"I have been sharistudent2 says, "I am inspired, i really discover my mission of the life: my goal is simple: living as i want rto do, i want to share my experi ernces and knowledge to other, because i was closer to the other before my chang e. I want to live more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!."

ng with others and getting good responses which is ecouraging hoping I can make a difference

You say, "I have been sharing with others and getting good responses which is ec ouraging hoping I can make a difference"

"We c are on parallel paths I believe and that we should nurturestudent2 says, "Im experimenting a feeling in my heart, im really happy for all i lived in this se mester, but i have to recognize that there are hardest moments tooo. I live happ y, but i feel pain too, i think that we really understand to the illness people if you have emphaty to them."

our friendship

You say, "We are on parallel paths I believe and that we should nurture our frie ndship"

"I have been doing some writing on empathy. This concept is probab; ly the most i student2 says, "Yes, i feel you are the other part of my body, osf my osoul, its lke we are its like we are twins, do you n believe me?"

mportant thing one can learn to learn to feel what the othewr feels yet not lose yourself in their pain

You say, "I have been doing some writing on empathy. This concept is probably t he most important thing one can learn to learn to feel what the othewr feels yet not lose yourself in their pain"

"Yes I belive ieve in you and I believe you I feel the same way. I can e really relat e to you more than I can some some americans most american norte americanos

You say, "Yes I believe in you and I believe you I feel the same way. I can rea lly relate to you more than I can most norte americanos"

student2 says, "We are connecting with the unity, to the universe. We are in the same road, i think you suffer (and enjoy) the same as me. We are like in a tera py process of change. This experience will help me to understand the Terapy enco unter between a terapist ands a part patient"

"I think that all relationships can be revitalized and improved by this tyo pe of interaction (empathic)

You say, "I think that all relationships can be revitalized and improved by this type of interaction (empathic)"

student2 says, "I really enjoy this conversation!, thats the kind of w experiren ces i want to live. To open my soul and nake my feelings to other without the th inkigng that we a i can be judged by other. I really express i fell feel without walls."

"That is a major part and premise of learning community is no-judging. I did a cognitive behavior project student2 says, "Sorry for my mistakes, im practicing my english yet, i hope you understand me. how i talk."

where i was supposed to change my behavior, I picked becoming more accepting an d was confrontr ed with my shadow side, this was difficult and will take a lot lo nger thab n the four weeks allowed for the project, possibly my whole life.student 2 says, "empathic and condfidewnnce C(confidence) ids is the key to an interacti onal meeting"

You say, "That is a major part and premise of learning community is no-judging. I did a cognitive behavior project where i was supposed to change my behavior, I picked becoming more accepting and was confronted with my shadow side, this was difficult and will take a lot longer than the four weeks allowed for the pro ject, possibly my whole life."

"I understand you because I can see through your mistakes to the essence of what you mean. I make mistakes too and it is interesting to see how you use the lang uage it sometimes makes me see the rak eal meaning of the words

You say, "I understand you because I can see through your mistakes to the essenc e of what you mean. I make mistakes too and it is interesting to see how you use the language it sometimes makes me see the real meaning of the words"

"The confidence student2 says, "Yes i knew my ghost part, that i didnt accept be fore, i suffered but im good to live however i suffered"

that comes wh ith not being afriad aid of judgments...YES!

You say, "The confidence that comes with not being afraid of judgments...YES!"

"Lif Part of being fully alive in the world is suffering...you must atke the gg ood wi th the bda ad otherwise you are emotionally dead

You say, "Part of being fully alive in the world is suffering...you must atke th e good with the bad otherwise you are emotionally dead"

student2 says, "I make mistakeds in my live life n but i learn to solve ithem as good as possible. with wrongs or not we will live, however. The key is tgo find the best form to live without hurt himdself or to the other. To live in peace w ith yourself., with myself, without the worry that we are making mistake by mist ake, and thinking all the t day in it, not letting the oportunity to live"

"I see what you say...In other words if we are too worried about making mistakes we are immobilized ,static we cannot move forward

You say, "I see what you say...In other words if we are too worried about making mistakes we are immobilized,static we cannot move forward "

student2 says, "Because we are humans we are in the law to suffer i want we want . We are in the law to feel and think, to let us to enjoy about the mysteryies o f the life, dont worring that this things are good or bad."

"Ther e is a chinese story that shows we don't really always know what is good or bad. I have also heard it said that to divide the world into good and bad is t he disease of the mind

You say, "There is a chinese story that shows we don't really always know what i s good or bad. I have also heard it said that to divide the world into good and bad is the disease of the mind"

student2 says, "I learn to not worring in something that nevermind, that doesnt necesary to solve. One phrase says: Id if your problem has solution, why you are worring, if it hdoent have solution, has no sense to worry."

"What you say makes so much sense to me, ya ey t I have a hard time actually living t it. I still worry about stupid things sometyi imes

You say, "What you say makes so much sense to me, yet I have a hard time actuall y living it. I still worry about stupid things sometimes"

"Worry is useless it doesstudent2 says, "Yes we need to be able to receive all t he experiences and to take the advantage of them in order to raise the herienrar c herierch of the life."

not help either take action or dropi t it...right?

You say, "Worry is useless it does not help either take action or drop it...righ t?"

"As Thomas Moore says we need to see what sort of gid ft or lessom n is in the suffe ring. Insted ad of trying to get rid of it by treating symptomsstudent2 says, "ye s worry doesnt help. its better to take the action, the intention of making some one with thge the decicion to solve problems instead of thinking all the day in them."

You say, "As Thomas Moore says we need to see what sort of gift or lesson is in the suffering. Instead of trying to get rid of it by treating symptoms"

"Worry only hurts th worrier. Like guilt it is almost a useless emotion unless it motivates you to action

You say, "Worry only hurts th worrier. Like guilt it is almost a useless emotio n unless it motivates you to action"

student2 says, "The suffering is a symptom taht the that we need to change somet hing, that we must change something that doenstwork good."

"Yes I agree we need to lokk ok closely at our suffering and learn what it has to t each us

You say, "Yes I agree we need to look closely at our suffering and learn what it has to teach us"

"James Hillman anstudent2 says, "The soul is wise, he send messages about your i nternal function. We as humans need to heard it."

Thomas Moore and Robert s Sardello talk of this sort of thing in their books

You say, "James Hillman Thomas Moore and Robert Sardello talk of this sort of th ing in their books"

"Facing the world with soul is Thomas Moore's phrase for this

You say, "Facing the world with soul is Thomas Moore's phrase for this"

student2 says, "Guilt is healty when permits to reflect i with yourself and to g ive the kaey to solve the problem as well as posible. But if one lives all the t ime in guilts, he doent let to live."

"Guiltt can be destructive if one cannot find a way out s . Existential guilt, feel ing you don't even han ve a right toexist exist is a terrible thing that many people su ffer from

I don't understand that.

Guilt can be a destructive if one cannot find a way student2 says, "Do you say the expersion of Paul mcarthley <<lei live and let die>>"

out Existential guilt, feeling guilty thast t you do nit even have a right to exist is a widespread problem today

I don't understand that.

student2 says, "It says that you must live your live life, d not to woory in w h ow the people live. not to worry in how to peolple live."

"Yes I have heard Pauls song and I am big Beatle fan too . I like his philosophy

You say, "Yes I have heard Pauls song and I am big Beatle fan too. I like his p hilosophy"

"Guilt can be destructive if one cannot find a way out. Existenetial tisa al guilt is wi despread problem: Feeling you do not evemstudent2 says, "I am a fan of Beatles s ince two or three monts ago, when i saw a special program of them in the T.V."

n have a rigth to exist

You say, "Guilt can be destructive if one cannot find a way out. Existential gu ilt is widespread problem: Feeling you do not even have a rigth to exist"

"I am musician and before I becamea a college student I was a professional drumm er. I still play my Conga drums adn my guitar when time permits. I have been a Beatle fan since the sixties 60'student2 says, "the existencial crisis in the l ife, its that the existencialism try to say. I dont know much about Paul Sartre and Albert camus, but i read Kierkegaard and Heidegger. The life and how to live it is the main idea. "

s

You say, "I am musician and before I became a college student I was a professio nal drummer. I still play my Conga drums adn my guitar when time permits. I ha ve been a Beatle fan since the sixties 60's"

"Have you read Rollo May or ?

You say, "Have you read Rollo May?"

student2 says, "You play the drums, I dont believe irt. !!!. ts great"

"Yes since I was about 14 I played in bands and had to quit because it was too l od ud it dan maged my hearing

You say, "Yes since I was about 14 I played in bands and had to quit because it was too loud it damaged my hearing"

"I have about 15 minutes left

You say, "I have about 15 minutes left"

student2 says, "Rollo May, yes., i read a bok book titled in spanish <<La realiz acin del mito>>, the realization of the mith (i think thats the traduction in en glish). It says that the myth as important as a beklief in someone that isnt a c old and insensible definition in the sciendce."

"I have read and I own this same book. A very impe ortant book I think . I will d hare a paper I wrote on this book (short response paper)

You say, "I have read and I own this same book. A very important book I think. I will dhare a paper I wrote on this book (short response paper)"

"That is Share not dhare i student2 says, "Ok, scott, friend, for ending our ci cle of conversations for this semester (i hope to continue with you next semeste r), we will give a conclutition about the importance of this virttual meeting."

am not a good typist

You say, "That is Share not dhare i am not a good typist"

" I still have a few minutes left

You say, " I still have a few minutes left"

"Look for these conversations to be on the web site. We will be immortalized on the web

You say, "Look for these conversations to be on the web site. We will be immort alized on the web"

student2 says, "Dont worry about your mistake. I will go out of the semester wit h the satisfaction to experiment a change in my internal life, and i promise to continue changing"

"Ah Worry again I won't worry student2 says, "Its a pleasure to converse with y ou, i really feel great. "

You say, "Ah Worry again I won't worry "

"I feel grat too and I feel that we have really made a great connection with eac h other

You say, "I feel grat too and I feel that we have really made a great connection with each other"

"I will send you some writings through regular mail sometstudent2 says, "Yes we will trasspass the limits of oneself. I am, and you are history in the web. We a re the cchallengers of a new future."

ime during the break

You say, "I will send you some writings through regular mail sometime during the break"

"That is what I want to be , a Challeger nger of the nw ew future and makers of history

You say, "That is what I want to be, a Challenger of the new future and makers o f history"

"You give me hope mt friend y friend

You say, "You give me hope my friend"

student2 says, "I hphope our connection can be possible in other time. While thi s, i will put more essays in my web page to i will be inmortallizated too. Im re ally happy to contributes in the chanmge."

"I will keep my eye on the web for your writings and will try to stay in touch w ith you

You say, "I will keep my eye on the web for your writings and will try to stay i n touch with you"

"We need peploe ople like you in order to face what is ahead of us student2 says, "Yo u give me hope too as i will give you too. I hope your desires and goeals can be make in reallity. I want yopu you can realizaed as human being. Ill try to deve lop my capacity in human developments groups."

as a species

You say, "We need people like you in order to face what is ahead of us as a spec ies"

"I know you cannot help but succeed with your type of determination and vstudent 2 says, "Our goeals wont dead die with this connection. From distant places you and me wll know we are together to give to wold the hopeness that not all is des truction"

ision

You say, "I know you cannot help but succeed with your type of determination and vision"

I want "I want to think of this a = s a beginning and I will see you on the internet next semester i student2 says, "To give the w to the world the hopeness tah that the Hu man development and the self-realization is posible."

You say, "I want to think of this as a beginning and I will see you on the inter net next semester "

"Keep up the good work,, It has been a pleasure talking with you I must go to my counseling class now (last one)

You say, "Keep up the good work, It has been a pleasure talking with you I must go to my counseling class now (last one)"

student2 says, "Yes I will wait for you in the internet. i will not disconnect t o you in the sonoma webpage. I will survive to the temporally death, i hope."

"You will su We willsurvive the temporary death s as you say because we will make it so

You say, "We willsurvive the temporary death as you say because we will make it so"

student2 says, "Ok amigo, No digo ha adios sino hasta luego. I dont say goodbye but see you..."

"I will see you later Amog igo Hats sta la vista Gabriel and Thank you so much

You say, "I will see you later Amigo Hasta la vista Gabriel and Thank you so mu ch "

@quit

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